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maka		#641 Posted : Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:59:05 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. possunt quia posse videntur
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lochaz-index		#642 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:26:48 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/18/2014 Posts: 1,127		Liv wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. I thought you said you expect the bear to continue even after the elections.... Now you are advising people to buy stocks now and continue accumulating? What has changed? I still do, I think the bear has at the very least another year baked in it. That however is not a reason not to buy...the only difference is one's risk appetite. Right now, stocks are the ugly ducklings of the investing world in KE when juxtaposed with real estate or bonds. For the long game, you buy (at rock bottom prices) when no one is interested in stocks and sit tight...when everyone else comes rushing in you sell to them. The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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MadDoc		#643 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:29:49 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2015 Posts: 151		maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit
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maka		#644 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:21:36 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)... possunt quia posse videntur
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Dahatre		#645 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:29:03 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602		maka wrote: MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)... If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge...
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maka		#646 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:49:13 AM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		Dahatre wrote: maka wrote: MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)... If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge... working on that makes a lot of sense with this depressed prices...btw CBA offers a facility on bonds...up to a max of 80% of holdings...72month payment period. possunt quia posse videntur
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Dahatre		#647 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:19:14 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602		maka wrote: Dahatre wrote: maka wrote: MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)... If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge... working on that makes a lot of sense with this depressed prices...btw CBA offers a facility on bonds...up to a max of 80% of holdings...72month payment period. More details on the CBA deal please?
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wukan		#648 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:35:32 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,654		MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit I would be careful about owning public assets when sovereign debt bubble starts deflating you will notice you were swimming naked. Already shareholders in public equities KQ, Uchum, NBK, Kenya Power, Kengen having the consequences. Public sector is usually the last to get hit in recessions. Hedge with private assets
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maka		#649 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:51:54 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi		Dahatre wrote: maka wrote: Dahatre wrote: maka wrote: MadDoc wrote: maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment? But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)... If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge... working on that makes a lot of sense with this depressed prices...btw CBA offers a facility on bonds...up to a max of 80% of holdings...72month payment period. More details on the CBA deal please? Whats your email I forward it to you.... possunt quia posse videntur
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hisah		#650 Posted : Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:13:27 PM
Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977		maka wrote: hisah wrote: maka wrote: lochaz-index wrote: hisah wrote: Angelica _ann wrote: Ericsson wrote: maka wrote: https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf Under subscription very fast That Interest rate is more like testing the waters Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!! The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...? Stick with the hated equities... There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine... A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku! Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity. My point is how many have the patience to hold out till maturity? Funds are scarce and most would hold the bonds for trade. $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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