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Anti_Burglar wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:I foresee a situation where if other health professionals like nurses and COs raise a demand next, they will be treated well and given what they want without much fuss. All to rub in for the KMPDU. Of course they will have learnt from KMPDU approach how not to do things. It may happen, it may not, I do not know. I just love being right! Lecturers call off strike, sign pay dealUasu secretary general Dr. Constantine Wasonga said that Uasu unity and solidarity of union members was of great value to the process of negotiating with the government saying it is an excellent example to other unions.Meanwhile KMPDU Secretary General Dr. Ouma Oluga is still changing documents and shifting positions Medics remove private practice clause. So lecturers agreed to take 17.5% payrise but doctors rejected a 50% payhike and are still demanding 1m. ISOKEI.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Anti_Burglar wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:The allegations of x number of doctors serving 10,000 number of Kenyans though often quoted with genuine concern but is very misguided. It doesn't help that doctors themselves repeat it often. It should be x number of medical health workers serving 10,000 Kenyans. That is according to the Kenya Health Sector Strategic Plan JULY 2013-JUNE 2017. But it is good he crystalises a main issue as "job group". Anyway, the different levels of health care delivery in the Kenya Essential Package for Health is as follows: 6 Tertiary hospitals
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1 Community: Villages/Households/Families/Individuals Doctors start appearing in that hierarchy at around level 4. The staff at the community health workers level, dispensaries, clinics, health centers do the donkey work within the community. They include enrolled nurses, nurses, clinical officers and such. What they cannot handle is what they refer up the chain. And that is how it should be. There is no point going to say KNH to get diagnosis for Malaria when it can be done at the health center. So what is ailing the health sectors in Kenya? What can be done? For starters, lumping money at the top of the chain in salaries and what not is absolutely not the way to go. Man! Even Dr Githinji Gitahi, Group CEO of Amref Health Africa agrees with me. Not all doctors are of the same level level as some of them of KMPDU. Many are at a higher level. At the just concluded Africa Health Africa International Conference, Dr Gitahi noted that: “a survey by a local research firm found out that only 30 per cent of Kenyans knew of the doctors’ strike two months into the strike.”
These findings draw attention to the fact that most health needs are not met by doctors, but by middle-level heath workers and community health workers.Hence, investment should go to the myriad mid-level health workers down there, not a few specialists up there! I cannot help but remember a certain graphic I was being fed that we will experience world class health care if only KMPDU CBA was implemented. Sad. 60% not knowing there was a strike ≠ "we don't need doctors" But agree, a poor country needs to have many more allied health workers and a strong community health system. We should, for example-have village/estate midwives who will deliver the majority of the healthy births. Nurse midwives/CO's for the slightly riskier pregnancies. Believe me you will want a doctor if your wife/sister develops complications of pregnancy. You will also need the correct meds/equipment etc to save, her and the baby's life.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Dahatre wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:The allegations of x number of doctors serving 10,000 number of Kenyans though often quoted with genuine concern but is very misguided. It doesn't help that doctors themselves repeat it often. It should be x number of medical health workers serving 10,000 Kenyans. That is according to the Kenya Health Sector Strategic Plan JULY 2013-JUNE 2017. But it is good he crystalises a main issue as "job group". Anyway, the different levels of health care delivery in the Kenya Essential Package for Health is as follows: 6 Tertiary hospitals
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5 Secondary hospitals
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4 Primary hospitals
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3 Health centres, maternities, nursing homes
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2 Dispensaries/clinics
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1 Community: Villages/Households/Families/Individuals Doctors start appearing in that hierarchy at around level 4. The staff at the community health workers level, dispensaries, clinics, health centers do the donkey work within the community. They include enrolled nurses, nurses, clinical officers and such. What they cannot handle is what they refer up the chain. And that is how it should be. There is no point going to say KNH to get diagnosis for Malaria when it can be done at the health center. So what is ailing the health sectors in Kenya? What can be done? For starters, lumping money at the top of the chain in salaries and what not is absolutely not the way to go. Man! Even Dr Githinji Gitahi, Group CEO of Amref Health Africa agrees with me. Not all doctors are of the same level level as some of them of KMPDU. Many are at a higher level. At the just concluded Africa Health Africa International Conference, Dr Gitahi noted that: “a survey by a local research firm found out that only 30 per cent of Kenyans knew of the doctors’ strike two months into the strike.”
These findings draw attention to the fact that most health needs are not met by doctors, but by middle-level heath workers and community health workers.Hence, investment should go to the myriad mid-level health workers down there, not a few specialists up there! I cannot help but remember a certain graphic I was being fed that we will experience world class health care if only KMPDU CBA was implemented. Sad. 60% not knowing there was a strike ≠ "we don't need doctors" But agree, a poor country needs to have many more allied health workers and a strong community health system. We should, for example-have village/estate midwives who will deliver the majority of the healthy births. Nurse midwives/CO's for the slightly riskier pregnancies. Believe me you will want a doctor if your wife/sister develops complications of pregnancy. You will also need the correct meds/equipment etc to save, her and the baby's life. I totally agree with you!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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hardwood wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:I foresee a situation where if other health professionals like nurses and COs raise a demand next, they will be treated well and given what they want without much fuss. All to rub in for the KMPDU. Of course they will have learnt from KMPDU approach how not to do things. It may happen, it may not, I do not know. I just love being right! Lecturers call off strike, sign pay dealUasu secretary general Dr. Constantine Wasonga said that Uasu unity and solidarity of union members was of great value to the process of negotiating with the government saying it is an excellent example to other unions.Meanwhile KMPDU Secretary General Dr. Ouma Oluga is still changing documents and shifting positions Medics remove private practice clause. So lecturers agreed to take 17.5% payrise but doctors rejected a 50% payhike and are still demanding 1m. ISOKEI. I opine the ones who are not lecturer doctors, who have a bit more time on their hands and are less busy and more energetic are the ones adversarial and militant.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Rushing to beat the 10.00am deadline. They have agreed and are now running across the road to the court to file the same for consent. Meanwhile that research finding up there that only 30% of population are aware of the strike are quite interesting.The role of the "Super Doctors" has been redefined. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Bigchick wrote:Rushing to beat the 10.00am deadline.
They have agreed and are now running across the road to the court to file the same for consent.
Meanwhile that research finding up there that only 30% of population are aware of the strike are quite interesting.The role of the "Super Doctors" has been redefined. Let them be humbled, let them be made to go on their knees and beg. Choices have consequences.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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it is usually a good idea to check the dates of articles you read on the internet first.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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At long lastIsuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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mkenyan wrote:it is usually a good idea to check the dates of articles you read on the internet first. he has not mentioned the others were ongoing, from his statement I understood he was trying to connect the nature of strike, and the similar demands raised by all of the different groups, if you read the articles and the demands that have been doing rounds one would think wameambiana, at least thats how I understood that statement.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! Yep... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! Yep... Yep, the doctors got a pay hike, the bloggers bado pare pare 527 Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! If I were a scrappy newly minted doctor previously earning 36K and got a raise to 66K and 20k allowance I would be pretty happy with my 86K. New docs pull 24/36/72 hour shifts..They do not even have time for side hustles..For them, the strike was worth it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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Dahatre wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! If I were a scrappy newly minted doctor previously earning 36K and got a raise to 66K and 20k allowance I would be pretty happy with my 86K. New docs pull 24/36/72 hour shifts..They do not even have time for side hustles..For them, the strike was worth it. Tenderprenuers can demean the increments, but for the doctors, it was worthwhile !!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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alma1 wrote:maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Liv wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:hardwood wrote:BREAKING: Doctors have called off strike. Deal signed
Did I hear they got only 40% salary increase ...what they had refused within month 1 of the strike? Regardless shows the chest thumping that has been going on didnt work as was expected!!!!! Yep... Yep, the doctors got a pay hike, the bloggers bado pare pare 527 Remember your self righteous, lengthy, preachy tirades about how this was not about about pay hike sijui nini, sijui nini, sijui what?  . Now you see the advantages of accepting early and moving on with the program? You can only manage single line down to earth responses. lol.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
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Madaktari wamecheswo...... 60 days is until after elections.
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