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VituVingiSana
#601 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:15:40 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MadDoc
#602 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:33:13 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?
Ebenyo
#603 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2017 3:03:10 PM
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MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero][quote=VituVingiSana]There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses


Stick to your goals.As long as you are getting what you want its fine.Change when things are not going your way.Above all LEARN daily.it will be fine with you.
Towards the goal of financial freedom
obiero
#604 Posted : Saturday, March 11, 2017 3:07:50 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
[quote=obiero][quote=VituVingiSana]There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses


Stick to your goals.As long as you are getting what you want its fine.Change when things are not going your way.Above all LEARN daily.it will be fine with you.

Soo true

KQ ABP 4.26
VituVingiSana
#605 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 11:21:38 AM
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MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?

Management & GoK's influence.Except for KenRe I stay away from GoK firms. It's a gut feeling. I may be wrong. It's not like Safcom (run by Vodafone) where it's the only choice in a rapidly growing sector. I have choices like Equity, NIC, I&M, StanChart, BBK, Co-op, etc. For obvious reasons I don't have NBK on the list. Good luck!

After losing money in KQ, any firm in which GoK has a significant stake needs to be looked at twice. Perhaps my "fear of GoK" is irrational but so far it has saved me lots of money post-KQ. EAPCC vs Bamburi (even ARM > EAPCC). NBK vs any listed bank. The list is long but includes Uchumi, KPLC and KenGen. There's always an undercurrent that concerns me. Inflated tenders, political godfathers, favored appointments, etc.

I have explained why I stick with KenRe in other threads BUT a whiff of stink and I will bail.

The saving grace for KCB is its TBTF status and GoK/KCB will step in to protect it by bending the rules or offering equity/loans.

But I like to sleep at night.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#606 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 3:56:39 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?

Management & GoK's influence.Except for KenRe I stay away from GoK firms. It's a gut feeling. I may be wrong. It's not like Safcom (run by Vodafone) where it's the only choice in a rapidly growing sector. I have choices like Equity, NIC, I&M, StanChart, BBK, Co-op, etc. For obvious reasons I don't have NBK on the list. Good luck!

After losing money in KQ, any firm in which GoK has a significant stake needs to be looked at twice. Perhaps my "fear of GoK" is irrational but so far it has saved me lots of money post-KQ. EAPCC vs Bamburi (even ARM > EAPCC). NBK vs any listed bank. The list is long but includes Uchumi, KPLC and KenGen. There's always an undercurrent that concerns me. Inflated tenders, political godfathers, favored appointments, etc.

I have explained why I stick with KenRe in other threads BUT a whiff of stink and I will bail.

The saving grace for KCB is its TBTF status and GoK/KCB will step in to protect it by bending the rules or offering equity/loans.

But I like to sleep at night.

Safaricom??

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#607 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:33:34 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?

Management & GoK's influence.Except for KenRe I stay away from GoK firms. It's a gut feeling. I may be wrong. It's not like Safcom (run by Vodafone) where it's the only choice in a rapidly growing sector. I have choices like Equity, NIC, I&M, StanChart, BBK, Co-op, etc. For obvious reasons I don't have NBK on the list. Good luck!

After losing money in KQ, any firm in which GoK has a significant stake needs to be looked at twice. Perhaps my "fear of GoK" is irrational but so far it has saved me lots of money post-KQ. EAPCC vs Bamburi (even ARM > EAPCC). NBK vs any listed bank. The list is long but includes Uchumi, KPLC and KenGen. There's always an undercurrent that concerns me. Inflated tenders, political godfathers, favored appointments, etc.

I have explained why I stick with KenRe in other threads BUT a whiff of stink and I will bail.

The saving grace for KCB is its TBTF status and GoK/KCB will step in to protect it by bending the rules or offering equity/loans.

But I like to sleep at night.

Safaricom??


I agree with you Obiero
GoK influence in safaricom is much greater than in KCB- and kenya re

@vvs
TBTF means what
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
obiero
#608 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2017 5:36:17 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
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Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?

Management & GoK's influence.Except for KenRe I stay away from GoK firms. It's a gut feeling. I may be wrong. It's not like Safcom (run by Vodafone) where it's the only choice in a rapidly growing sector. I have choices like Equity, NIC, I&M, StanChart, BBK, Co-op, etc. For obvious reasons I don't have NBK on the list. Good luck!

After losing money in KQ, any firm in which GoK has a significant stake needs to be looked at twice. Perhaps my "fear of GoK" is irrational but so far it has saved me lots of money post-KQ. EAPCC vs Bamburi (even ARM > EAPCC). NBK vs any listed bank. The list is long but includes Uchumi, KPLC and KenGen. There's always an undercurrent that concerns me. Inflated tenders, political godfathers, favored appointments, etc.

I have explained why I stick with KenRe in other threads BUT a whiff of stink and I will bail.

The saving grace for KCB is its TBTF status and GoK/KCB will step in to protect it by bending the rules or offering equity/loans.

But I like to sleep at night.

Safaricom??


I agree with you Obiero
GoK influence in safaricom is much greater than in KCB- and kenya re

@vvs
TBTF means what

Too big to fail

KQ ABP 4.26
snipermnoma
#609 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 9:24:25 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2014
Posts: 257
obiero wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

See how this guy makes wazuans miss out on the right buses

Lipstick on a pig. Nothing has changed. If not today then tomorrow. Good luck.


This is one stock where you veer from your fact based approach. Is it the management you don't trust or is it just irrational bias?

Management & GoK's influence.Except for KenRe I stay away from GoK firms. It's a gut feeling. I may be wrong. It's not like Safcom (run by Vodafone) where it's the only choice in a rapidly growing sector. I have choices like Equity, NIC, I&M, StanChart, BBK, Co-op, etc. For obvious reasons I don't have NBK on the list. Good luck!

After losing money in KQ, any firm in which GoK has a significant stake needs to be looked at twice. Perhaps my "fear of GoK" is irrational but so far it has saved me lots of money post-KQ. EAPCC vs Bamburi (even ARM > EAPCC). NBK vs any listed bank. The list is long but includes Uchumi, KPLC and KenGen. There's always an undercurrent that concerns me. Inflated tenders, political godfathers, favored appointments, etc.

I have explained why I stick with KenRe in other threads BUT a whiff of stink and I will bail.

The saving grace for KCB is its TBTF status and GoK/KCB will step in to protect it by bending the rules or offering equity/loans.

But I like to sleep at night.

Safaricom??


I agree with you Obiero
GoK influence in safaricom is much greater than in KCB- and kenya re

@vvs
TBTF means what

Too big to fail

I disagree on level of GoK influence being higher in safaricom than GoK. Reason being Vodafone has by far a greater influence (CEO and CFO are vodafone appointees). Why? Because in safaricom, GoK is the second largest shareholder after vodafone and that is why vodafone are calling the shots. Meanwhile at KCB, GoK is the largest shareholder followed by NSSF. So GoK calls the shots here, including all top management. My view is therefore that GoK has a greater influence at KCB than at safaricom.

That said I also disagree with @vvs on staying away from GoK firms (except Kenya Re). There are a few more GoK firms that are worth investing in.
Ebenyo
#610 Posted : Monday, March 13, 2017 11:38:06 AM
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To minimize risks,its not advisable to be exposed to any element that may pose the same.
E.g,avoid all loss making companies,avoid companies whose management you cant trust-Dont trust Meral and Wamae.
Avoid exposure to one sector.Try to have a footprint in specific sectors.
G.O.K- its not advisable to be exposed here.Neither is it advisable to ignore all firms with gok interest.Safaricom and Kcb combined profit for 2015 and 2016 is kshs 48 bilion.When you choose to ignore this amount of money,what is it then that you want?
My advise will be for one to construct a balanced portfolio which has interest on all profitable sectors of economy.Stick to what works well for you.
What works for you may not work for me.and vice versa.In stocks,there is no perfection and neither do masters exist.Its a learning experience.Even warren Buffet is still learning!
Towards the goal of financial freedom
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