@Nanfor - arguments presented here on abortion have merit, so please dont try to make others look foolish - abortion has not mentioned as legal, all we are saying is that the language allows too open a space as to actually permit abortion by backdoor. This was presented to the arrogant pple at CoE and they did not think it warranted attention - see now that it is becoming even more controversial than kadhi's courts.

And can someone please tell the yes sayers to quit saying that kadhi's courts are in the current constitution - and using this to reject the argument of the clergy and the rest of us. I have not written this out yet, but there are differences that make the proposed implementation worse - and the current katiba therefore is a better bet. Ideally, we dont need these courts at all in the constitution. A statute at parliament level is a sure and fitting solution.

NO!

@sigigiri

I am not against those against the clause. But I am very scared of those that say reject it because of that clause. Yet they are lying about its intepretation.

yes sigigiri. I have come to the conclusion that they are deliberatly lying. So sue me.

I would rather issues, real issues such as the ones that kingfisher and new farer are coming up with. Those are the real governance issues in Kenya, not some red herring upus about a clause that says something totally different.

the clergy has become a two trick pony and they want to drag the rest of us into their persistent misery.

First it seems to me that the No camp is gaining momentum...

I also get the feeling that many people( in both camps) do NOT know how the Katiba will fundamentally change anything!!!! esp. for those who are saying it is better than the old,yet can't list one thing that is better...if i am not wrong we will still have a powerful presidency.....etc etc........someone who is well versed with the 2 documents could take this debate to the next level( i am not,i will not pretend to be) i just think this is still hewa moto!

@tebes....if that is the case, i may then be having a bad copy

about the structure of government;

The senate should have been a more powerful house than national assembly. As it is now , its only meant to protect the counties but on national issues its a toothless entity.