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I am voting No
Wendz
#41 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:49:27 AM
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@Pastor M

mmmmmmh, got me thinking.... Are we not able to tolerate diverse views?.

Those voting for YES are supporting the proposed contitution which touches on thousands of issues, and are not advocating for abortion. To speak on my behalf, it is because i feel the constitution has alot more to offer on other governance issues which this country badly need and that can help us shape this nation than the value placed on controversies regarding abortion and kadhi courts. In any case, whether it is legalised or not, i will never perform it and i will teach my children what the will of God says in regard to life. Anyone securing an abortion needs more of spiritual guidance than law to govern her actions. The laws are secondary.
poundfoolish
#42 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:49:29 AM
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Let us start this thing all over again from the top

Our main problem, our main challenge, that started this change the constitution crusade 20 years ago was because, immediately we crafted one in lancaster it was opened up to 'raping'.

please not nothing else was being changed in the draft apart from what concerns governance. single or multy party state, powers of the president, role of judiciary, Parliament and land.
the abuse of the system of government, led to offshoots e.g land grabbing and impunity.
Our problem all along was the structure of government (the executive, the judiciary, and parliament) with all powers having been vested in the executive.

We've had two chances to change this rot, the Bomas attempt and now this COE policy paper.

Now the COE did a good job trying to tame the structures of government. which was was the mandate given by the blood, toil and sweat shed most of the 20 years.
Problem is they went in and did an overhaul on everything, including things we didn't even need touched.

Have a closer look at the Preamble and the Bill of Rights and relate it to the rest of the chapters...
wanjirus
#43 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:50:24 AM
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I agree with @mozenrat,What's missing in the draft is just a more precise definition of a 'trained health professional',personally am voting yes at least I will have done something to improve from the current constitution, am for the idea that the valid contentious issues can be amended later, nothing is impossible, no one could predict a prime minister in the Kenyan government, this is a live document which is subject to changes at the interest of Kenyans.
AmHere
#44 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:51:39 AM
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"Abortion is illegal unless..."

Does this mean abortion is allowed or it is not? Hmmm. Sounds like the chicken and the egg problem.
Amurabi.
#45 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:56:06 AM
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Untill i read both copies,understand them and know which one am voting for/against, will i make my contribution here. As at now am still burning the midnight oil and Pray Pray for divine interpretation. otherwise i will not listen to politians,lawyers,civic educators or even members of the cleargy. period.Sad Sad Sad
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kingfisher
#46 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:58:14 AM
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@Tebes.....read 41(2)d under labor relations section.

Show me in the bill of rights where that is being restricted!!

Unless members of disciplined forces are not workers, then they have the right to go on strike.
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
newfarer
#47 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:00:37 AM
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IIEC

7th August 2010
Referendum results
60 yes
40 no

This Katiba will pass.

My concern is in regard to land .Minimum acreage. I have a house on 1/32 acre in Nairobi on share certificate, Can someone tell me if I will ever get a title deed on that house ama nitabaki squatter at the whims of the county ? then I can decide whether I fall in Yes or No
punda amecheka
Wendz
#48 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:09:14 AM
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Mostly, the minimum would be on agricultural land to enable proper planning and this is just a leeway for the future (my understanding). Minimum is not even our major problem right now.... Maximum is!!! Those grabbers must first return our land... then we can deal with minimum when we have land back to us! If we have the lot of land back, then minimum can come in later when we are 120million people and we need to concentrate people in towns for ease of distribution of resources and leave land for reasonable farming to feed that population. I think the intention was to avoid having houses on every piece of land and we lack anywhere to farm in future. Its the way they do it in more developed countries. People lease land to do commercial farming and seems thats where we are headed but that might not find us alive! at least most of those contributing to this post... hehehehehe...
chepkel
#49 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:15:46 AM
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@Masukuma, i respect your democratic right. I was not pushing anything down your throat just contributing to the debate. I agree with Mpenzi, debate must be encouraged and When someone gives an opinion then others should take it or leave it and not get emotional and personal. please do not hate me if don't agree with you and i will respect your opinion too and in fact learn from it.

Actually, I have not decided whether i am voting No or Yes. I am still reading the document and trying to understand it. But the abortion thing doesn't do it for me
Tebes
#50 Posted : Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:15:48 AM
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@Kingfisher

Exactly!!! Article 24(5) limits enjoyment of rights and freedom by members of Kenya Defence force and National Police service as outlined in Articles 31, 36, 37, 41, 43, 49. Article 24(5) has specifically spelt out these articles as a limitation to these category of persons!
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