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South Africa: Foreigners injured in xenophobia clashes
Alba
#141 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:11:18 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has posted the perspective of the perceived xenophobes.

Quote:

I am from uMlazi and I do piece jobs here and there. I used to work as a security officer here in the Durban city, but my job got snatched away from me by a foreigner who promised my boss to do the same job at half the salary.

When foreigners get jobs they never join unions and this opens them up to exploitation. It is during this process where the power of labour federations is dumbed down to almost no effect.

When my boss fired me, he told me he had to shed staff because business was not coping; he told me the best he could do for me is to halve my salary. I had been earning R1,600: there was no way I was going to accept R800 as my monthly salary; I had been already suffering with my initial salary.

I do not condone the violence which South Africans are using, but again I do not blame them. People have been saying for a long time that these people must go; the government knows that we want them out. More and more of them keep entering the country while the resources are on the decline – now we have to battle for even less resources with even more people.

Not all of them are drug dealers, but it is a known fact that they dominate the drug market. We are tired of acting like we don’t mind all of this.

South Africans are divided into two groups right now: the xenophobic and the anti-xenophobia groups. If you look closely into these two groups you will realise that the xenophobic group is dominated by the working class and the other by the middle class and better.

The reason for this is that we, the working class, are the ones who feel the consequences brought by the foreigners. Most of these foreigners don’t live in the suburbs; they live with us in the township. They sell the drugs to our kids; we have to compete with them for jobs. The middle class and higher [class] don’t experience any hardships with them; hence, they don’t mind them being here. You can even see that this peace march is dominated by whites and black people who are well off.

A march like this is a carpet under which the real problem is being pushed. The government should not beg the people to stop what they are doing; it needs to give them a reason to stop. Give us jobs and strengthen the fight against crime so that we have less to complain about. I am strongly against this march as it minimises our grievances to barbarism; the government knows what’s wrong and needs to fix that.

This anger that we direct to the foreigners stems from a number of things that are wrong with this country. For example, one thing that gives the impression that all foreigners are illegal immigrants is the fact that our border security is weak. People are beating up foreigners because they have all the time in the world to do so since they are unemployed. Fix things like that first.

Of course killing people is wrong; that is not the way to do it – but we still want them out of the country.

When we fought against apartheid, we wanted to live better lives. There were almost no foreigners back then, now that that battle has been won, they flooded our country to enjoy the same rights and resources that we fought for. Now we can’t even enjoy the fruits of the freedom that we fought for. The fruits of freedom are only reaped by the rich and politically connected. South Africans are angry because they expected that life would be better after the apartheid regime was defeated. We want foreigners out of the country because we think that life will be better after they have gone.

When the people realised that the apartheid regime was unfair, they made their opinion known – this was long before they got up in arms and fought for what they wanted. In order for the government to realise that we were serious we had to resort to violence and fight fire with fire. This set a precedent for South Africans and now they know that when their voices are undermined, they should resort to violence.
murchr
#142 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:20:22 PM
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Alba wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone has posted the perspective of the perceived xenophobes.

Quote:

I am from uMlazi and I do piece jobs here and there. I used to work as a security officer here in the Durban city, but my job got snatched away from me by a foreigner who promised my boss to do the same job at half the salary.

When foreigners get jobs they never join unions and this opens them up to exploitation. It is during this process where the power of labour federations is dumbed down to almost no effect.

When my boss fired me, he told me he had to shed staff because business was not coping; he told me the best he could do for me is to halve my salary. I had been earning R1,600: there was no way I was going to accept R800 as my monthly salary; I had been already suffering with my initial salary.

I do not condone the violence which South Africans are using, but again I do not blame them. People have been saying for a long time that these people must go; the government knows that we want them out. More and more of them keep entering the country while the resources are on the decline – now we have to battle for even less resources with even more people.

Not all of them are drug dealers, but it is a known fact that they dominate the drug market. We are tired of acting like we don’t mind all of this.

South Africans are divided into two groups right now: the xenophobic and the anti-xenophobia groups. If you look closely into these two groups you will realise that the xenophobic group is dominated by the working class and the other by the middle class and better.

The reason for this is that we, the working class, are the ones who feel the consequences brought by the foreigners. Most of these foreigners don’t live in the suburbs; they live with us in the township. They sell the drugs to our kids; we have to compete with them for jobs. The middle class and higher [class] don’t experience any hardships with them; hence, they don’t mind them being here. You can even see that this peace march is dominated by whites and black people who are well off.

A march like this is a carpet under which the real problem is being pushed. The government should not beg the people to stop what they are doing; it needs to give them a reason to stop. Give us jobs and strengthen the fight against crime so that we have less to complain about. I am strongly against this march as it minimises our grievances to barbarism; the government knows what’s wrong and needs to fix that.

This anger that we direct to the foreigners stems from a number of things that are wrong with this country. For example, one thing that gives the impression that all foreigners are illegal immigrants is the fact that our border security is weak. People are beating up foreigners because they have all the time in the world to do so since they are unemployed. Fix things like that first.

Of course killing people is wrong; that is not the way to do it – but we still want them out of the country.

When we fought against apartheid, we wanted to live better lives. There were almost no foreigners back then, now that that battle has been won, they flooded our country to enjoy the same rights and resources that we fought for. Now we can’t even enjoy the fruits of the freedom that we fought for. The fruits of freedom are only reaped by the rich and politically connected. South Africans are angry because they expected that life would be better after the apartheid regime was defeated. We want foreigners out of the country because we think that life will be better after they have gone.

When the people realised that the apartheid regime was unfair, they made their opinion known – this was long before they got up in arms and fought for what they wanted. In order for the government to realise that we were serious we had to resort to violence and fight fire with fire. This set a precedent for South Africans and now they know that when their voices are undermined, they should resort to violence.



That is not an immigrant problem, rather a Gov problem. They should have laws barring immigrants from taking over such kind of jobs. Violence will not solve any of their problems
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hardwood
#143 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 1:22:15 PM
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The attacks are back. Nigerians reiterate by looting MTN offices in Abuja.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html




hardwood
#144 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 2:03:05 PM
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hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.
twesha13
#145 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:09:35 PM
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hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.


I think the problem is, these citizens were fighting during the apartheid when they were supposed to be in school. With lack of expertise the country hires experts from other countries while its people are jobless. not coz there are no jobs but because they have no knowledge/ experience for these positions

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masukuma
#146 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 5:12:13 PM
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hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.

let me get this right - if mzunguz do this in the US ni sawa... in making Murica great again but if africans do it... mzunguz should lock them up? i don't get your logic unless it's WHATEVER THE WHITE MAN DOES IS RIGHT... F*CK EVERYONE ELSE!
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sitaki.kujulikana
#147 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 6:09:48 PM
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hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.

you have to give it to the mzungu, they knew how to tame that ubuntu energy and at the same time developing that country, you can only imagine where the sa bantus would be if the mzungu had not apartheided them, mozambique and mali would be giving them aid.
Alba
#148 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 8:30:59 PM
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hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back. Nigerians reiterate by looting MTN offices in Abuja.



No wonder Moi said Mwafrigha bhure ghabisa.
We Africans are to blame for the plight we inflict on ourselves. Instead of Naija people looting MTN, they should be holding their politicians accountable for good governance. This way Naija people will not need to migrate to SA. The same applies to kenyans. Instead we worship the high class thieves who are ruining our economies and forcing people to seek a livelihood elsewhere.


hardwood
#149 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 8:47:06 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.

you have to give it to the mzungu, they knew how to tame that ubuntu energy and at the same time developing that country, you can only imagine where the sa bantus would be if the mzungu had not apartheided them, mozambique and mali would be giving them aid.

Agreed. #Reintroduce_apartheid #Bantustans #Lock_them_up #MASAGA (MAke SA Great Again)
hardwood
#150 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2017 9:38:13 PM
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hardwood wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.

you have to give it to the mzungu, they knew how to tame that ubuntu energy and at the same time developing that country, you can only imagine where the sa bantus would be if the mzungu had not apartheided them, mozambique and mali would be giving them aid.

Agreed. #Reintroduce_apartheid #Bantustans #Lock_them_up #MASAGA (MAke SA Great Again)

@masukuma say something about hii maneno.
masukuma
#151 Posted : Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:21:03 AM
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hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
hardwood wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The attacks are back.

http://www.africanews.co...of-xenophobic-attacks//

http://www.voanews.com/a...e-in-abuja/3736652.html



[img]https://i0.wp.com/s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/leadersandco/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13055641/xenophobic.jpg?fit=800%2C600&ssl=1/img]


Now they have turned against fellow blacks again. You have got to respect the white man for managing to keep these hooligans in check for so long. Time to reintroduce apartheid and lock them up back in bantustans.

you have to give it to the mzungu, they knew how to tame that ubuntu energy and at the same time developing that country, you can only imagine where the sa bantus would be if the mzungu had not apartheided them, mozambique and mali would be giving them aid.

Agreed. #Reintroduce_apartheid #Bantustans #Lock_them_up #MASAGA (MAke SA Great Again)

@masukuma say something about hii maneno.

I asked a question! about your logic!


my opinion. Africans should not be foreigners in Africa! that's my opinion!
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FRM2011
#152 Posted : Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:43:58 AM
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Alba wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone has posted the perspective of the perceived xenophobes.

Quote:

I am from uMlazi and I do piece jobs here and there. I used to work as a security officer here in the Durban city, but my job got snatched away from me by a foreigner who promised my boss to do the same job at half the salary.

When foreigners get jobs they never join unions and this opens them up to exploitation. It is during this process where the power of labour federations is dumbed down to almost no effect.

When my boss fired me, he told me he had to shed staff because business was not coping; he told me the best he could do for me is to halve my salary. I had been earning R1,600: there was no way I was going to accept R800 as my monthly salary; I had been already suffering with my initial salary.

I do not condone the violence which South Africans are using, but again I do not blame them. People have been saying for a long time that these people must go; the government knows that we want them out. More and more of them keep entering the country while the resources are on the decline – now we have to battle for even less resources with even more people.

Not all of them are drug dealers, but it is a known fact that they dominate the drug market. We are tired of acting like we don’t mind all of this.

South Africans are divided into two groups right now: the xenophobic and the anti-xenophobia groups. If you look closely into these two groups you will realise that the xenophobic group is dominated by the working class and the other by the middle class and better.

The reason for this is that we, the working class, are the ones who feel the consequences brought by the foreigners. Most of these foreigners don’t live in the suburbs; they live with us in the township. They sell the drugs to our kids; we have to compete with them for jobs. The middle class and higher [class] don’t experience any hardships with them; hence, they don’t mind them being here. You can even see that this peace march is dominated by whites and black people who are well off.

A march like this is a carpet under which the real problem is being pushed. The government should not beg the people to stop what they are doing; it needs to give them a reason to stop. Give us jobs and strengthen the fight against crime so that we have less to complain about. I am strongly against this march as it minimises our grievances to barbarism; the government knows what’s wrong and needs to fix that.

This anger that we direct to the foreigners stems from a number of things that are wrong with this country. For example, one thing that gives the impression that all foreigners are illegal immigrants is the fact that our border security is weak. People are beating up foreigners because they have all the time in the world to do so since they are unemployed. Fix things like that first.

Of course killing people is wrong; that is not the way to do it – but we still want them out of the country.

When we fought against apartheid, we wanted to live better lives. There were almost no foreigners back then, now that that battle has been won, they flooded our country to enjoy the same rights and resources that we fought for. Now we can’t even enjoy the fruits of the freedom that we fought for. The fruits of freedom are only reaped by the rich and politically connected. South Africans are angry because they expected that life would be better after the apartheid regime was defeated. We want foreigners out of the country because we think that life will be better after they have gone.

When the people realised that the apartheid regime was unfair, they made their opinion known – this was long before they got up in arms and fought for what they wanted. In order for the government to realise that we were serious we had to resort to violence and fight fire with fire. This set a precedent for South Africans and now they know that when their voices are undermined, they should resort to violence.


@alba, thanks for this perspective.

I think i now understand where our SA brothers are coming from. I am thinking what would happen if God had blessed us with a leader of Kibaki's calibre (less the political baggage) for another 10 years after 2013. And just when the economy starts booming and creating jobs everywhere, our neighbors gate-crashed the party. It would be hard to explain the concept of tolerance to the "jeshi" in Kayole, Dandora, Githurai, Mathare e.t.c.

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hardwood
#153 Posted : Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:55:06 PM
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The mayhem in SA continues.......



wanyee
#154 Posted : Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:00:49 PM
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But the Ogas misbehave everywhere they go not to mention the zoomali as well ..the Bathong down there are not tolerant to bullshit like kenians
hardwood
#155 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 12:24:47 PM
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Attacks have started AGAIN. So sad.


Thitifini
#156 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 12:57:00 PM
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hardwood wrote:
The mayhem in SA continues.......





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#157 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 5:15:24 PM
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Thitifini wrote:
hardwood wrote:
The mayhem in SA continues.......





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man nothing funny with that's happening in SA. I have seen disturbing videos and pictures!
i.am.back!!!!
mpobiz
#158 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 9:01:27 PM
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Is it true that its ramfosa who incited the latest wave of violence?
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
mpobiz
#159 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 9:21:24 PM
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Why turn to a fellow poor African while 90% of S.A wealth/ land is still held by the Europeans?
Africa is truly cursed.
Apartheid was orchestrated by Europeans not other Africans
It's countries like Zimbabwe Zambia and Mozambique that helped in piling pressure and helping their freedom fighters .
Mozambique lost a president because of fighting for S.A.
Everyday videos leak of whites still brutalizing blacks
The only thing I can say is that I hope the white boars live in S.A. for ever and brutalize this stupid fools. S.A people deserve no mercy from other Africans
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
hardwood
#160 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2019 10:08:07 PM
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mpobiz wrote:
Why turn to a fellow poor African while 90% of S.A wealth/ land is still held by the Europeans?
Africa is truly cursed.
Apartheid was orchestrated by Europeans not other Africans
It's countries like Zimbabwe Zambia and Mozambique that helped in piling pressure and helping their freedom fighters .
Mozambique lost a president because of fighting for S.A.
Everyday videos leak of whites still brutalizing blacks
The only thing I can say is that I hope the white boars live in S.A. for ever and brutalize this stupid fools. S.A people deserve no mercy from other Africans

I support. The boers should lock these rabid idiots back in their homelands aka bantustans.
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