Masukuma where are you I come buy you a beer right now? Lol.
Curtains closed. There is nothing more to say after this. End of discussion.

@masukuma, I can tell that you are an intelligent, good natured and logical person. I like your thinking too and there's nothing I can discredit out of what you've written. I also cannot impose my God on you because no two people can experience God in the same way, so I can only tell you about my belief and understanding and nothing else. I will engage with you soberly because for a long time I thought the same way.

So, what do you believe, including hamburglar and Tokyo? Do you believe that there is a higher power than yourself?

Now you see what happens when you read stories about a God who was walking on this tiny earth! It's evident that people never really believed such stories. What was He (God) stepping on before creating Earth? Such kind of thinking made kina @hamburglar to become atheists! And now @masukuma...

After all those Sunday school tales, now you grow up and think of a God who walks on Earth, with footsteps heard like that of another fellow man walking, you wonder how can God walk on surface of this tiny earth, an earth which is not even visible in the Galaxy, can you imagine God walking on some path on earth!!!

here is what i think... i think religions are like parents! they mean well! they are very useful! but people leave their parents at different time. some people are ophaned earlier than others. you tend to look like and behave like your folks. you and your siblings tend to think (broadly) in the same way. you respond to issues in similar ways - as you had been taught. some people leave their parents later than others! some people blame their parents for everything bad, some people believe that their parents are the best in the world. some people passionately love their parents and hate those other families (as their parents have taught them). but generally parents mean well! even if you come to a point where you are a grown up and you don't do everything they tell you to do; or even when their words don't carry much weight; or even when you start seeing them as really humans and a product of their environments - you don't (shouldn't) stop loving them. they have brought you up in the best way they know how! their influence will be with you for as long as you are alive. in the same way while you can generalize and say people of a certain family (Akina Fulani) do ABCD. you cannot generalize and say that all Ophans are similar! they are similar in their lack of parentage not their way of thinking or how they were born and raised and their influences.

I think you are more agnostic than anything else maspinach. Na atheists ni humans too. Lol.

quick question - umewahi quote Quran halafu @Lolest accepted?

I forgot to put up my Sunday verses. I hope god is not mad at me and decides to strike me dead for that. You know he has a bad temper and kills people on impulse. Mukiri or any religious people, please ask yahweh to forgive me for I have sinned. Speak in tongues if it will help me avoid the wrath of his hot temper. I will even eat sacrament today to appease him. Lol.

Anyway, let's check out kings and chronicles on this day that I have sinned and will probably be put to death for failing our "loving" father. May god have mercy on my soul. 😉

1 Kings
1 KINGS 2:24-25 Solomon killed Adonijah.

1 KINGS 2:29-34 Solomon killed Joab.

1 KINGS 13-15-24 A prophet lied to a man, telling him it was fine to eat bread and drink water in a place the Lord had previously told him not to. The deceived man ate and drank there. God sent a lion to kill him, "and his body was thrown down on the road."

1 KINGS 20:29-30 The Israelites fought the Syrians. Enemy body count for a single day = 100,000. A wall fell on the 27,000 remaining people.



2 Kings
2 KINGS 1:10-12 Elijah called down fire from heaven. 50 men were consumed by the flames.

2 KINGS 2:23-24 – 42 Fourty-two children made fun of Elisha on the roadside because he was bald. Elisha cursed them. Two bears came out of the woods and mauled them to death.

2 KINGS 5:27 Elisha cursed Gehazi and his descendants, forever, with leprosy.

2 KINGS 6:18-19 The enemy came toward Elisha, and he prayed to God, "Strike these people with blindness." God made them blind. Elisha then tricked them and led them to Samaria, where God opened their eyes again.

2 KINGS 6:29 A woman cried out to the king of Israel, lamenting a great famine. She was upset because she had agreed to cook her son and eat him, but after the deed, another woman had refused to do the same.

2 KINGS 9:24 Jehu tricked Joram, then murdered him with a bow and arrow, piercing his heart.

2 KINGS 9:27 Jehu ordered his men to kill Ahaziah, king of Judah.

2 KINGS 9:30-37 Jehu had Jezebel killed. Horses trampled her and her blood splattered the wall. Dogs ate her flesh and her remains were called "refuse" (trash).

2 KINGS 10:7 Jehu had Ahab’s 70 sons beheaded. He then sent the heads to their grieving father.

2 KINGS 10:14 Jehu ordered the death of Ahab’s family…42 people.

2 KINGS 10:17 According to God’s word (spoken to Elijah), Jehu went to Samaria and "killed all who were left there of Ahab’s family; he destroyed them…"

2 KINGS 10:19-27 Jehu trapped the Baal worshippers in the temple. He then told the guards, "Go in and kill them; let no one escape." They slaughtered the worshippers and burned down the temple, using it as a latrine from that day forward.

2 KINGS 11:1 Athaliah destroyed the royal family.

2 KINGS 14:5 Amaziah executeed the officials who murdered his father.

2 KINGS 14:3-5 God was unhappy with Azariah, even though he had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord. The high places had not been removed, and God was jealous of their sacrifices on that altar. So God afflicted Azariah with leprosy as punishment.

2 KINGS 15:16 Menahem attacked the city of Tiphsah. He destroyed the town and "ripped open all of the pregnant women."

2 KINGS 19:35 An angel of the Lord killed 185,000 men in the Assyrian camp.


2 Chronicles
2 CHRONICLES 13:17 God delivered the Israelites to Abijah and Judah. 500,000 enemy dead.

2 CHRONICLES 21:4 Jehoram killed all of his brothers, and some of the princes of Israel...put to death by sword.

That god guy needs serious anger management classes. He is a very dangerous person to be around. He kills without thinking twice, woe unto you if you don't kiss his ass, instant death. Apparently that's how he shows his love. This guy is unbelievably brutal, I would never ever want to be associated with anybody or anything like him. Am surprised he hasn't struck me dead yet for calling him out all these years. What an asshole.

OT or NT. They are both full of shit.

It's amazing how the public sphere is ground for dumbing down people and flaunting ignorance.

A little knowledge is dangerous.

1) On women
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

2) On Genocide
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

3) On Witches
“Do not allow a sorceress to live.” (Exodus 22:18)

4) On the babies of enemies
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

5) On women as property
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

6) On homosexuality
“In the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” (Romans 1:27)

7) On sacrificing (your own) children for God
“And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord, and said, ‘If you will give the Ammonites into my hand, then whoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord’s, to be offered up by me as a burnt-offering.’ Then Jephthah came to his home at Mizpah; and there was his daughter coming out to meet him with timbrels and with dancing. She was his only child; he had no son or daughter except her. When he saw her, he tore his clothes, and said, ‘Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low; you have become the cause of great trouble to me. For I have opened my mouth to the Lord, and I cannot take back my vow.’” (Judges 11:30-1, 34-5)

8) And again
‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’ (Genesis 22:2)

9) On women, again
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

10) On slavery
“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)