sky

going by the number of condoms and beers sold in Kenya, I doubt if anyone listens to the "church".

the church where Kenyans were burnt in still has issues with one bishop saying this and another saying that.

Please don't try to remind us that the church was used for political purposes the last time and your clergy actively supported one group over another depending on their tribe.

I keep on asking, all this things that you hate so much were done under THE CURRENT constitution. You seem very depressed about the state of Kenya as it is. yet all these things are happening under what you have now.

So now, you will vote no to continue with the things that you hate the most.

@Cardin

Why am i reading too much assumptions in that post? the 'code' words mean all the negative aspects..... why cant they be used on a positive light... for example, the issue you have brought in on 'reproductive health care?' Does it mean women have no problems with reproduction and need no health care in reproductive issues except abortion?

Which part of my post was wrong by the way? that other laws do not stem from the constitution? That right to life is not in penal code or that other laws does not mean part of the laws in the penal code? Or that the lawyer did not state what i wrote? I think what i may have missed out was the fact that there are other laws that may be formed and except for speculation, whether these laws will legalise abortion or not is yet to be known but i believe, if we are able to elect lawmakers with a moral standing, then abortion will never be legalised. well, it is true that law can be manipulated however well crafted a statement is.

@Sky5

You clearly havent read the constitution. In my wanjiku opinion, its the closest we can get to a kenyan constitution for kenyans - of course except for the two matata issues which am willing to have rectified AFTER the proposed one goes through...

heheheh @ cardinal,plagiarism!!! i was about to say you have chambuad this abortion clause vilivyo!

Could someone please help me understand,in simple terms,the main radical changes that the proposed constitution will bring to the table? Does it mark a complete departure from the old way of doing things to a new dawn? If not,then this is just hot air.

@nanfor1, to hear is one thing, to listen is another thing and to understand is a different thing. The fact that people don't obey the law is no excuse to allow the contrary.

People did not fight during the Pev (or in 1992,1997,2002) because of the current constitution. Why didn't we fight before then since we still had the same constitution? With good leadership, the current constitution and laws can still serve us good. But the law is not meant for good people but for law-breakers. And whichever law you put in place, lawbreakers will find a way to break it...and with impunity.Why do you think Ocampo was in town? Don't we have a law and constitution? Why couldn't we apply the law on the same cases he is pursuing? A new and contentious constitution is not the solution.

@wendy, i have read the draft both in soft copy and hard copy. I also have current constitution for comparison. I am not an expert in constitutional law but even the experts can't agree. Ambiguity in the draft is open to many different interpretations (even lawyers do not agree on the interpretations). On the surface the draft looks good, but at the core of most of the the issues, there is every reason to worry. It better to reject it now than to regret later; "I wish I knew".