Well said

You are psychotic. Huyo mtu wa public hospital, where will you refer them to. You go to KNH, the biggest referral hospital, they take your sample and send you to the private lab next door. No facilities in knh to work on it. Even the private lab does not have facilities to do a thorough check on a biopsy. Only difference is that private lab has invested in sysyems to send that sample to South Africa and Germany for analysis. Report takes 1 week to come back. You pay an arm and a leg. Which public hospital patient will afford this. Chizi wewe.

The same doc in knh will see you in the evening at nrb hosp. Why is he a better doc at nrb hosp and not at knh. Jijazie hiyo.

Government is the only one capable of bringing down cost of healthcare. Why does the country not have a pet scan. Why should someone spend their money to go study a field whose facilities are not available locally. Why do we have to send samples to SA or Germany for interpretation. Such should be done at a Government facility. In fact, all hospitals should be referring to knh when things get thick, not knh referring to them.

Wacha porojo bana. If you are a beneficially of tumbili tenderprenuership usituletee. Jubilee are incompetent, thieving baboons. Fact.

I am failing to understand why people are so against higher salaries for doctors. We should value them- we have fewer than 6,000 of them in a population of almost 50 million people!

I think the argument that they will steal if hospitals are well equipped is dubious at best. If the government thinks that universal health is a value, then they create incentives for docs not to set up private clinics/join private practices-by giving them more money and better working environments/conditions, coupled with enforceable rules of conduct.

But Universal health care is NOT a value for us, so we need to kill public hospitals/ clinics, and privatize health, education etc..to fulfill the terms of those who are funding us to do whatever it is that we are doing with all of those billions that we have been getting as loans. Deaths of the poor--collateral damage.

@murchr, please edit the post above where you started with an insult. That's not you. We expect and accept that from @hardwood, @harrydre, @muchknow and the rest of kameme listening gang.

You always come across as one of the few and very rare jubilee supporters who can reason.

From the day the doctors were released, itumbi has gone into overdrive to demonize the doctors on Facebook. Its like statehouse wants the talks to derail.

Knowing our first family and their insatiable greed, I wouldn't be shocked they have already invested in private healthcare and they want the public health system to collapse completely.

Who should tone down again?

@ni phobe..murchr is someone you can argue with and actually go along with..

hao wengine umetaja are just kamememe.

On this one murchr you are wrong. But between you and me that is nothing strange. You have lost all arguments with me here...Ni ya Ndemo tu.


But having said that...

And having got rid of the Itumbi fake accounts, let's discuss serious issues.

My family is a family of doctors. Some of the best in rift valley province. I'm 100% sure you have been touched by them.

But when we look at health care in 2017 and health care in the 70's, it is clear all these gov'ts have failed. pathetically!!!!

You can't have nurses going to the US from Kenya and being voted the best nurses in their states. The same nurse was getting 25k in Kenya.

We have doctors in Botswana. Botswana for crying out aloud.

In Moshi, it's Kenyan doctors.

Yet some fellas want to tell us our doctors are bad, corrupt and thugs.

The only thieves I know about are in gov't...They go into a bank and come out with gunias.

The rest of the professionals are trying to work with impossible odds.

The doctors are all Kenyan. All tribes...All ages. It is only Itumbi the confirmed liar who comes out with tribe. These doctors are not stupid. These doctors are not crazy.

The only crazy people I know are the ones who buy containers and call them mobile clinics.


Kenya is changing...When the young middle class and professionals decide to fight the system. A system that killed my child. A system that doesn't work. A system that jubilee thinks is perfect. A system that has kabura as a hero...

Kenyans should be paid adequately for their services. Kenyans should demand more of their elected leaders.

By the way, where is Uhuru, Where is Ruto?

Ama they leave abusing people to hardwood and Itumbi?

The gov't should give health care.

If they can't they should go home. It is simple and clear. Kama wameshindwa to negotiate with doctors, why are they there in the first place?

Uhuru has failed miserably.

I think those are very reasonable requests. With or without Oluga or whomever we cannot continue the way we are, without great suffering for our people...

Those who do not go to public hospitals may feel insulated against the mess in public health care but I assure you, you are an ostrich, burying your head in the sand.

FACT: all doctors are trained in the public health system. If there are no facilities, inadequate supervision, that doctor is the same one seeing you in the private hospital.

FACT: Government has to set the bar in terms of what quality healthcare means. If govt does not invest in efficient systems, good drugs, reliable labs, guess what, 80% of private hospitals will not bother. Why invest in expensive systems and quality procedures when you have a trapped populace that will come to you no matter what crap you offer.

FACT: Our so called premier private hospitals are a far cry from Indian private hospitals when it comes to customer care and service delivery. Ask anyone who has been treated in India. I believe its because there is no alternative for the Kenyan middle class. You are therefore stuck with a barely above mediocre healthcare because the alternative is unimaginable. If KNH private wing was to function like a real hospital, Nrb hospital would significantly downscale their operations. If KNH public side was to operate efficiently, coptic, nrb womens, and other smaller hospitals would close down.

FACT: Cancer treatment in Kenya is pathetic because we do not have means to make proper diagnosis. No private institution will make the expensive investment when they may as well put money in more profitable ventures like simple lab tests and imaging. The govt must step up and establish proper facilities for cancer diagnosis.

FACT: Running a hospital is as much about having proper personnel, regular quality assessment procedures and proper systems. Not just equipment.