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# Should We Re-elect the Current Government ?
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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The answer depends on who you ask!! Luo – No Kikuyu – Yes Luyah – No Kalenjin – Yes Wacoast – Yes/No Kamba – Depending on what happens to Kalonzo Maasaii – Yes/No Wariaa – Yes Embu/ Meru – Yes Others - No The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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Vallerrie wrote:Lolest! wrote:Vallerrie wrote:It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from. Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc Nigeria, Ghana? Okay lemme fix that; KENYA doesn't do one term presidents. Current and baba (he'll win), two in a row I care!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,633
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aemathenge wrote:wukan wrote:The election is more like a beauty pageant for entertainment of the masses.
Conclusion: Sit this election out, you give power to the elite when you participate in their stupid games Wow, a kindred spirit. I did not register for the 2013 erections, choosing instead to sit it out due to some land issues among members of our family. I am contemplating sitting out this erection too but that is an entirely new thread. I have, however, been invited to join a team of social media warriors for a local (Kirinyaga) politician. I have told the politician that I am not a registered voter and I do not intend to register. The Politician does not mind this and in fact offered me a very handsome retainer with a “handsome” cash advance already in my sack. The icing in the cake for me is that I have recognized the opposing politician’s lead social media warrior and we have a history. It will be fun slugging it out like old times. In your opinion, is this participating in the games, but not actually voting, sitting it out? I wish you knew how much I contributed in terms of strategy and tactics to the one of the 2013 camps. Thank heavens for wazua anonymity. If you stay close to power you will see how it operates. That feeling that elite feel that they control your destiny and you follow them, that matters more to them than your vote. Power is power the fact the politician feels he controls you as his social media warrior means you are participating in the games. @hindsight you keep voting thinking the current elite cares for your interests. Same monkeys on both sides of the forest. Give them your vote and they will use it to bargain for their place at the dinner table.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Vallerrie wrote:Lolest! wrote:Vallerrie wrote:It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from. Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc Nigeria, Ghana? Okay lemme fix that; KENYA doesn't do one term presidents. Tuko papa hapa... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/29/2016 Posts: 47 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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wukan wrote:
@hindsight you keep voting thinking the current elite cares for your interests. Same monkeys on both sides of the forest. Give them your vote and they will use it to bargain for their place at the dinner table.
@wukan, Voting in my opinion and actually is politically factual is the ideal and best way to participate in democracy/ making or ensuring a new guard of government is installed without much hullabaloo while the alternative leaves ...a trail of bloodshed,incumbency,dictatorship and most of all elite dominance...which if history is to be looked at ..doesn't last for long...as the subjects will reach a point of no return and when that happens ,you with your no vote/sitting out you will perish/suffer the consequences as well as the rest. So if given two choices,sitting out and participating ,the latter always works out best no matter how you spin it. In other words its the better option-not the only option. Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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hindsight wrote:aemathenge wrote:hindsight wrote:#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers.
#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers. Or what? This is not kindergarten, neither are you tisha masho ine. I will bullshit until The Office of the Administrator censors me. I just got personal by calling you maisho ine. When you start implying, or anticipating that Citizens of the Virtual Republic will bring ushenzi, I translate that to mean you are "ushenzi" and you are therefore telling the other "ushenzi" to keep off. I am a tribalist. You are a newfarer. That is a fact. Speak for yourself. Live "We" out of it. Noted 100%. Unfortunately facts are stubborn. Re-read what you have wrote,then kindly stop and think,before you write. Or maybe we should start by asking: Shouldn't we go back to English classes?
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/29/2016 Posts: 47 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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maka wrote:Vallerrie wrote:Lolest! wrote:Vallerrie wrote:It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from. Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc Nigeria, Ghana? Okay lemme fix that; KENYA doesn't do one term presidents. Tuko papa hapa... @Vallerrie,if you at my earlier posts ,am not advocating for any candidature,am merely looking at the current government validation for re-election. Having said that,i want to make this point; That regardless that Kenya hasn't in the past (though 2007/8 is debatable) dislodged an incumbent government after first term, it's very doable. Reasons; 1) Kenyans have the votes not the elite/leaders/government 2) There is always a first time for everything,why not? 3) Conformity bleeds certainty eventually to the norm. But when people power is harnessed and a few individuals inspire the rest,history is made.New norm is achieved,this has been demonstrated elsewhere. So,when after august elections ,there is a new normal,don't be surprised. Its the evolution of the new order as the old becomes new...alta continua. Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/29/2016 Posts: 47 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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washiku wrote:hindsight wrote:aemathenge wrote:hindsight wrote:#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers.
#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers. Or what? This is not kindergarten, neither are you tisha masho ine. I will bullshit until The Office of the Administrator censors me. I just got personal by calling you maisho ine. When you start implying, or anticipating that Citizens of the Virtual Republic will bring ushenzi, I translate that to mean you are "ushenzi" and you are therefore telling the other "ushenzi" to keep off. I am a tribalist. You are a newfarer. That is a fact. Speak for yourself. Live "We" out of it. Noted 100%. Unfortunately facts are stubborn. Re-read what you have wrote,then kindly stop and think,before you write. Or maybe we should start by asking: Shouldn't we go back to English classes? @Washiku, English is always learned often ,hence am always a student of the noble language. Communication is the key. KISS Principle . i stay guided though ! Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2015 Posts: 682
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The big question in my mind is, is corruption really a voter issue in Kenya? My heart says maybe it is, my head says this election will be just another tribal census.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/9/2017 Posts: 65
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hindsight wrote:Liv wrote:@ hindsight, 1. What a question you have asked..... "We as who?"... The armchair analysts here
2. From your analysis and what you've written to support your question, the title of the the topic should be: "why the current government should not be re-elected"....
Or can you be more objective to support your question? @Liv "we as who" i mean't Kenyans of good will. Being wazuans, we are also Kenyans(those are not ,do not apply.) @Liv "can you be more objective to support your question?" Just started a thread with aim of starting a healthy informative debate. It was deliberate to give out facts that can inform the question(s) ,and that's why i made the title of the topic that way.I went further and quoted @maka who also quoted Toni Kimani. That showcases objectivity of the issues intended to be impartial political discussion with divergent articulated views welcomed. I agree with @Liv, @Hindsight already has a preset opinion!!! The past is the past, you either run from it or learn from it!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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hindsight wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Unfortunately "we" Kenyans of goodwill aren't a significant force in matters of election. Either our numbers don't make a difference or our elitist attitude doesn't allow "us" to vote with the ignorant tribal masses hence we don't turn up to vote. We armchair analysts (and voters?) Are yet to attain the critical mass to make an difference in how this country is governed. Either way , the good thing is we can play a part on determining the direction the country takes. Just one vote,one people one country mantra. Do your part,follow your conscious and the rest will follow in place. Democracy means different "analogy" depending on who you ask. A drop in the ocean doesn't alter it's tide.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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ZZE123 wrote:The answer depends on who you ask!! Luo – No Kikuyu – Yes Luyah – No Kalenjin – Yes Wacoast – Yes/No Kamba – Depending on what happens to Kalonzo Maasaii – Yes/No Wariaa – Yes Embu/ Meru – Yes Others - No
Can't anything be done to change this completely?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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Who will win, depends on against whom majority will vote - clearly people will not be voting for anyone, but against someone.
Opposition-leaning protest vote against current leaders; there is no candidate (from possible lineup) worthy of their votes.
pro government votes will mainly be against rao and to some extent against macharia, salome or who is the other principle.
If NASA can think out of box - put country before self - draft a good skills matrix of suitable next leaders (not that tired crass 'principles'); someone who can spell out a formula of getting Kenya out of abyss....
oh, someone just woke me up from a dream.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/29/2016 Posts: 47 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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Mike Ock wrote:The big question in my mind is, is corruption really a voter issue in Kenya? My heart says maybe it is, my head says this election will be just another tribal census. @Mike Ock, is corruption really a voter issue in Kenya? The answer is a big No. reasons; 1) We are all beneficially of the corrupt system either directly or indirectly..hence corruption is part of us and no surprise there. 2) The elite as you have indicated ,have perfected the divide and rule approach for political gain,using tribal card...as well as propaganda to avoid real issues that concerns mwananchi such as governance,accountability,Health,Economy growth,Education etc. 3) We have a severe problem of FORGETFULNESS in the country. When a country doesn't learn from past mistakes, there is likely hood of the same being repeated. This has become part of our culture ,where if one of your tribal people are accused/caught doing wrong the whole tribe/friendly sycophants/supporters comes to vindicate the wrong of the accused. This results to a loop that always puts the country on the wrong path. What to do? Start by voting right...your vote will count. Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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wa P wrote:Who will win, depends on against whom majority will vote - clearly people will not be voting for anyone, but against someone.
That's the problem with being brought up and bred by the 8-4-4 multiple choice system. It's always method of elimination
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/29/2016 Posts: 47 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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Gakware wrote:hindsight wrote:Liv wrote:@ hindsight, 1. What a question you have asked..... "We as who?"... The armchair analysts here
2. From your analysis and what you've written to support your question, the title of the the topic should be: "why the current government should not be re-elected"....
Or can you be more objective to support your question? @Liv "we as who" i mean't Kenyans of good will. Being wazuans, we are also Kenyans(those are not ,do not apply.) @Liv "can you be more objective to support your question?" Just started a thread with aim of starting a healthy informative debate. It was deliberate to give out facts that can inform the question(s) ,and that's why i made the title of the topic that way.I went further and quoted @maka who also quoted Toni Kimani. That showcases objectivity of the issues intended to be impartial political discussion with divergent articulated views welcomed. I agree with @Liv, @Hindsight already has a preset opinion!!! @Gakware @Hindsight already has a preset opinion!!! Do you care to substantiate the above with facts.Thank you. Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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hindsight wrote:Mike Ock wrote:The big question in my mind is, is corruption really a voter issue in Kenya? My heart says maybe it is, my head says this election will be just another tribal census. @Mike Ock, is corruption really a voter issue in Kenya? The answer is a big No. reasons; 1) We are all beneficially of the corrupt system either directly or indirectly..hence corruption is part of us and no surprise there. 2) The elite as you have indicated ,have perfected the divide and rule approach for political gain,using tribal card...as well as propaganda to avoid real issues that concerns mwananchi such as governance,accountability,Health,Economy growth,Education etc. 3) We have a severe problem of FORGETFULNESS in the country. When a country doesn't learn from past mistakes, there is likely hood of the same being repeated. This has become part of our culture ,where if one of your tribal people are accused/caught doing wrong the whole tribe/friendly sycophants/supporters comes to vindicate the wrong of the accused. This results to a loop that always puts the country on the wrong path. What to do? Start by voting right... your vote will count. Will it, really? So many Kenyans (pia mimi) believe its just a cliche - that is why voter apathy is being described as 'very embarassing.' Personally, am really not finding any compelling reason to vote this time round, who do I vote for? JP - corruption mingi already - imagining pple like arap mashamba for another 5 years gives me a pounding headache; NASA - a bunch of self-seekers,that is why their main agenda is how to gawana power, NOT our welfare, and all of them are tainted in one way or the other. Arghh.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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If you are debating on whether you should elect someone who's gov't has people walking in and out of banks with gunias, then we have a problem. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Intelligentsia wrote:Personally, am really not finding any compelling reason to vote this time round, who do I vote for? Wow, another kindred spirit. Looks like I can now start talking comfortably about "We" Now that you have joined this conversation, I have been forced to start thinking with my big head instead of the smaller one. "The Current Government," as I understand it, can either infer the National Government or the County Government. "Should we re-elect the Current (National) Government"? Hell NO. I base my sentiments on at least five of the top threads currently active here at the Virtual Republic of Wazua. Unfortunately, CORD is the only alternative, until NASA put their act together. Unless NASA gives me a profound reason to register and vote for them by tomorrow, 1600 hours EAST, I will not register. "Should we re-elect the Current (Kirinyaga County) Government"? Hell NO. "There is a highly damaging altercation that has been simmering, right from the word go, between The Governor and the Deputy Governor. The result is that my home area, Mwea, is experiencing a painful County Government fronted development drought. Hon Martha Karua, Ms Anne Waiguru, and the coterie of other prospective County Governors are not worth the time or effort to walk 300 metres to the nearest registration point. So, @Intel, what is your story? Pray do share.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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ZZE123 wrote:The answer depends on who you ask!! Luo – No Kikuyu – Yes Luyah – No Kalenjin – Yes Wacoast – Yes/No Kamba – Depending on what happens to Kalonzo Maasaii – Yes/No Wariaa – Yes Embu/ Meru – Yes Others - No
Looks like the 'Yes' have it. But I think it's time the Kambas dumped Kalonzo. Hana musimamo. BBI will solve it :)
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