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# Should We Re-elect the Current Government ?
aemathenge
#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:10:34 PM
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hindsight wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
hindsight wrote:
#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers.

#No Bullshit (name calling /personalization /tribal lining/ ushenzi etc) just straight factual supported answers.


Or what?

This is not kindergarten, neither are you tisha masho ine.

I will bullshit until The Office of the Administrator censors me.

I just got personal by calling you maisho ine.

When you start implying, or anticipating that Citizens of the Virtual Republic will bring ushenzi, I translate that to mean you are "ushenzi" and you are therefore telling the other "ushenzi" to keep off.

I am a tribalist.

You are a newfarer. That is a fact.

Speak for yourself. Live "We" out of it.



Noted 100%. Unfortunately facts are stubborn.Re-read what you have wrote,then kindly stop and think,before you write.


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Or what?

This is not kindergarten, neither are you tisha masho ine.

I will bullshit until The Office of the Administrator censors me.

I just got personal by calling you maisho ine.

When you start implying, or anticipating that Citizens of the Virtual Republic will bring ushenzi, I translate that to mean you are "ushenzi" and you are therefore telling the other "ushenzi" to keep off.

I am a tribalist.

You are a newfarer. That is a fact.

Speak for yourself. Live "We" out of it.
hindsight
#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:13:03 PM
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Posts: 47
Location: Nairobi, Kenya
Rahatupu wrote:
Unfortunately "we" Kenyans of goodwill aren't a significant force in matters of election. Either our numbers don't make a difference or our elitist attitude doesn't allow "us" to vote with the ignorant tribal masses hence we don't turn up to vote. We armchair analysts (and voters?) Are yet to attain the critical mass to make an difference in how this country is governed.


Either way , the good thing is we can play a part on determining the direction the country takes. Just one vote,one people one country mantra.

Do your part,follow your conscious and the rest will follow in place.

Democracy means different "analogy" depending on who you ask.

Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
wukan
#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:29:30 PM
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What's the need for this discussion. It's a forgone conclusion that Uhuruto will be re-elected for following reasons

1. The Stockholm syndrome-from the colonial experience kenyans tend to identify with the captors of state power as a survival strategy. The colonialists were here for around 65 years with little challenge. The colonialists then left power to a targeted african elite who are still in-charge. The current drought with expected depressed long rains means the incumbent calls the shots.

2. Capital(goods that can produce other goods)-KANU elite plus China capital needs protection. Leadership is usually decided by the capital interests that are being protected. The election is more like a beauty pageant for entertainment of the masses.

3. Performance/Corruption is a non-issue in elections-corruption is how the power elite protects its interests by buying protection. The 2017 elections is really about exclusion(tribalism) not a change of policy.

4. Issues about healthcare, jobs, AGPO are best left for socialist/marxist writers and intellectuals. The intellectuals have no power and that's why it's easy to ignore doctors, teachers without little political repercussions. Power resides where people believe power resides.

Are we likely to see any change soon? No not until a merchant class emerges to take away power from the current power elites.

Conclusion: Sit this election out, you give power to the elite when you participate in their stupid games.
madollar
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:37:01 PM
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Joined: 11/17/2009
Posts: 2,040
Location: GA
Rahatupu wrote:
Unfortunately "we" Kenyans of goodwill aren't a significant force in matters of election. Either our numbers don't make a difference or our elitist attitude doesn't allow "us" to vote with the ignorant tribal masses hence we don't turn up to vote. We armchair analysts (and voters?) Are yet to attain the critical mass to make an difference in how this country is governed.

Well put.If the number of anti jubilee articles,news items ,trends on social media etc were the indicators of how well the government is doing jubilee would be polling at 1% but in contrast what matters most during elections I.e voters jubilee is ahead.And there lies the answer to your question ata tufike 1000 posts on this thread.
josimar
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:48:20 PM
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If You have a keen eye You will notice something strange happening within Our borders which is a soft attack on Our sovereignty . Uganda are posting their special forces in Migingo Island , Ethiopia goes ahead with Gibe Dam construction despite the negative impact it will have on the socio-economic livelihood of Northern Kenya specifically Turkana. Somali have taken Kenya to the International Court in dispute of Our Maritime Border and likewise Ilemi Triangle is being contested by South Sudan. This happens when strong leadership is lacking , a country loses its soul when it lacks unity and is divided ethnically . We need fresh leadership who can inspire unity in Kenya.
hindsight
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14:58 PM
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Joined: 1/29/2016
Posts: 47
Location: Nairobi, Kenya
wukan wrote:
What's the need for this discussion. It's a forgone conclusion that Uhuruto will be re-elected for following reasons

1. The Stockholm syndrome-from the colonial experience kenyans tend to identify with the captors of state power as a survival strategy. The colonialists were here for around 65 years with little challenge. The colonialists then left power to a targeted african elite who are still in-charge. The current drought with expected depressed long rains means the incumbent calls the shots.

2. Capital(goods that can produce other goods)-KANU elite plus China capital needs protection. Leadership is usually decided by the capital interests that are being protected. The election is more like a beauty pageant for entertainment of the masses.

3. Performance/Corruption is a non-issue in elections-corruption is how the power elite protects its interests by buying protection. The 2017 elections is really about exclusion(tribalism) not a change of policy.

4. Issues about healthcare, jobs, AGPO are best left for socialist/marxist writers and intellectuals. The intellectuals have no power and that's why it's easy to ignore doctors, teachers without little political repercussions. Power resides where people believe power resides.

Are we likely to see any change soon? No not until a merchant class emerges to take away power from the current power elites.

Conclusion: Sit this election out, you give power to the elite when you participate in their stupid games.


Conclusion: Sit this election out, you give power to the elite when you participate in their stupid games.


@Wukan, i agree with you on many fronts.However the last part (Conclusion:) i disagree with you because;

1) Sitting out gives the opponent confidence -if he wins on a landslide.

2) Numbers are key even to the loosing side,enables them to have sustained politics for the next round. Hence any vote be it to the winner or looser is very important.

3) There is always something immortal when you participate in an event ,as your active participation goes to the history books and lessons learn't are passed on.

4) Sitting out ,is the least inaction for one to do,who is affected by either outcome. Imagine your daughter or son asking you while in your late years, where were you when all this was happening? it will definitely sink you to "i wish.." i did something,of course to no avail.

The list goes on and on...
Live your life well, don't settle nor conform to people expectations. It's one of the best way to live life full of bliss and contentment.
aemathenge
#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:20:20 PM
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Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
wukan wrote:
The election is more like a beauty pageant for entertainment of the masses.

Conclusion: Sit this election out, you give power to the elite when you participate in their stupid games


Wow, a kindred spirit.

I did not register for the 2013 erections, choosing instead to sit it out due to some land issues among members of our family.

I am contemplating sitting out this erection too but that is an entirely new thread.

I have, however, been invited to join a team of social media warriors for a local (Kirinyaga) politician.

I have told the politician that I am not a registered voter and I do not intend to register.

The Politician does not mind this and in fact offered me a very handsome retainer with a “handsome” cash advance already in my sack.

The icing in the cake for me is that I have recognized the opposing politician’s lead social media warrior and we have a history.

It will be fun slugging it out like old times.

In your opinion, is this participating in the games, but not actually voting, sitting it out?
Vallerrie
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:36:47 PM
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It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from.
Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc
Lolest!
#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:42:44 PM
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Location: Kianjokoma
Vallerrie wrote:
It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from.
Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc

Nigeria, Ghana?
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Vallerrie
#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:51:34 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Vallerrie wrote:
It's very obvious who's gonna win this year's election. Africa doesn't do one term presidents. This government has been a total failure but its supporters will tell you 'There's no better alternative'. I wonder where that phrase came from.
Anyway, I gave up on this country a long time ago. Brace yourselves for 5 more years of mega corruption scandals and the same old 'When the opposition was in government they did it too', 'There's no better alternative' etc etc

Nigeria, Ghana?


Okay lemme fix that; KENYA doesn't do one term presidents.
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