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Court of Appeal ...... Outpatients!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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ZZE123 wrote:There is a CBA between doctors and the government circulating on wazup – I have reviewed and not seen anything about the patients.. its all about the doctors. Is it the real one?? How now? The CBA cannot be about the patients, patients are customers while the doctors are the employees.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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2012 wrote:ZZE123 wrote:There is a CBA between doctors and the government circulating on wazup – I have reviewed and not seen anything about the patients.. its all about the doctors. Is it the real one?? How now? The CBA cannot be about the patients, patients are customers while the doctors are the employees. And why is there talk that the CBA will improve health care in the country? The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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ZZE123 wrote:2012 wrote:ZZE123 wrote:There is a CBA between doctors and the government circulating on wazup – I have reviewed and not seen anything about the patients.. its all about the doctors. Is it the real one?? How now? The CBA cannot be about the patients, patients are customers while the doctors are the employees. And why is there talk that the CBA will improve health care in the country? So that you mobilize for them. Ala dont you see its election time and everyone wants to get rich on nothing "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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alma1 wrote:maka wrote:githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... Unlike Hambaglur, I conduct polls...My poll has shown that the only people who think that jailing doctors is cool and ethical are Kameme listeners. The rest removed goggles kitambo sana. Githundi please understand something. Everyone is in agreement that disobeying court orders should land you in problems. In fact, you won't find anyone saying that it is illegal to jail them. The doctors accepted their fate and are now in jail. Of course only Jubilee honchos avoid court orders but what do I know. There is another issue. The issue of an order that was meant to blackmail these heroes. That is what Kenyans of all parties, creed, tribe, color etc except kameme listeners are not happy about. So yes, the doctors are serving their time. And no jubilee stinks more than the doctors. I know that concept is hard to understand when you are confused between supporting muraguri in nyeri getting people to vote and the life of Kenyans dying in their homes because Muraguri refused to attend meetings. It's amazing that we cannot discuss a simple subject without going to matters tribalism  I see no correlation between muraguri,kameme and disobedience of court orders. Sometimes we sink too low in our arguments Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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The doctors have hardened their position. I am sure the government will not offer anything significantly more than what they have already offered. I doubt there will be any agreement even after 7 days. I think the court will listen to all parties and make a decision and force it on the parties. Final decision will be a court decision.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Let me ask a stupid question...Are doctors employees of National Government or County Governments? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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sparkly wrote:Let me ask a stupid question...Are doctors employees of National Government or County Governments? County governments pretend to be the employers, all salaries are remitted to them from central government. I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:The doctors have hardened their position. I am sure the government will not offer anything significantly more than what they have already offered. I doubt there will be any agreement even after 7 days. I think the court will listen to all parties and make a decision and force it on the parties. Final decision will be a court decision. For the umpteenth time YOU CANNOT force someone to work...sack all doctors recruit afresh. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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githundi wrote:alma1 wrote:maka wrote:githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... Unlike Hambaglur, I conduct polls...My poll has shown that the only people who think that jailing doctors is cool and ethical are Kameme listeners. The rest removed goggles kitambo sana. Githundi please understand something. Everyone is in agreement that disobeying court orders should land you in problems. In fact, you won't find anyone saying that it is illegal to jail them. The doctors accepted their fate and are now in jail. Of course only Jubilee honchos avoid court orders but what do I know. There is another issue. The issue of an order that was meant to blackmail these heroes. That is what Kenyans of all parties, creed, tribe, color etc except kameme listeners are not happy about. So yes, the doctors are serving their time. And no jubilee stinks more than the doctors. I know that concept is hard to understand when you are confused between supporting muraguri in nyeri getting people to vote and the life of Kenyans dying in their homes because Muraguri refused to attend meetings. It's amazing that we cannot discuss a simple subject without going to matters tribalism I see no correlation between muraguri,kameme and disobedience of court orders. Sometimes we sink too low in our arguments possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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maka wrote:githundi wrote:alma1 wrote:maka wrote:githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... Unlike Hambaglur, I conduct polls...My poll has shown that the only people who think that jailing doctors is cool and ethical are Kameme listeners. The rest removed goggles kitambo sana. Githundi please understand something. Everyone is in agreement that disobeying court orders should land you in problems. In fact, you won't find anyone saying that it is illegal to jail them. The doctors accepted their fate and are now in jail. Of course only Jubilee honchos avoid court orders but what do I know. There is another issue. The issue of an order that was meant to blackmail these heroes. That is what Kenyans of all parties, creed, tribe, color etc except kameme listeners are not happy about. So yes, the doctors are serving their time. And no jubilee stinks more than the doctors. I know that concept is hard to understand when you are confused between supporting muraguri in nyeri getting people to vote and the life of Kenyans dying in their homes because Muraguri refused to attend meetings. It's amazing that we cannot discuss a simple subject without going to matters tribalism I see no correlation between muraguri,kameme and disobedience of court orders. Sometimes we sink too low in our arguments Bwana Githundi I'm very sorry for the misunderstanding. Let me make myself clear so that you and others don't misunderstand what I have said and what I shall say in the future. Kameme listeners are doing a disservice to their mental health. I believe that Kameme is the epitome of mass hallucination. I also believe Kameme listeners are short on logic especially if you mention the word rairaa. I believe I have made myself kireala. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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maka wrote:Liv wrote:The doctors have hardened their position. I am sure the government will not offer anything significantly more than what they have already offered. I doubt there will be any agreement even after 7 days. I think the court will listen to all parties and make a decision and force it on the parties. Final decision will be a court decision. For the umpteenth time YOU CANNOT force someone to work...sack all doctors recruit afresh.
Who said that the courts will force anyone to work?
The courts will just decide what the doctors salary raise will be. The doctors will be asked to take it or appeal as KPMDU or as individuals one can decide it's not enough and take a walk. The government will be forced to pay what the court decides.... like they were forced by the court during the teachers strike. And the government might decide to agree or appeal against the decision.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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maka wrote:githundi wrote:alma1 wrote:maka wrote:githundi wrote:Funny. ..how Kenyans support blatant disobedience of court orders. We have always accused the political class of the same. A people that supports disobedience of court orders cannot be said to respect the rule of law. ..cannot expect to call upon the same laws to protect them.
Please tell me why you would go to court to get a decision to defend your rights while you know no one will obey the court orders so obtained. This is always the root cause for the chaos that we will always complain about. ..
At this rate. ..ni maombi tu. .. You are taking us round and round in circles boss... Unlike Hambaglur, I conduct polls...My poll has shown that the only people who think that jailing doctors is cool and ethical are Kameme listeners. The rest removed goggles kitambo sana. Githundi please understand something. Everyone is in agreement that disobeying court orders should land you in problems. In fact, you won't find anyone saying that it is illegal to jail them. The doctors accepted their fate and are now in jail. Of course only Jubilee honchos avoid court orders but what do I know. There is another issue. The issue of an order that was meant to blackmail these heroes. That is what Kenyans of all parties, creed, tribe, color etc except kameme listeners are not happy about. So yes, the doctors are serving their time. And no jubilee stinks more than the doctors. I know that concept is hard to understand when you are confused between supporting muraguri in nyeri getting people to vote and the life of Kenyans dying in their homes because Muraguri refused to attend meetings. It's amazing that we cannot discuss a simple subject without going to matters tribalism I see no correlation between muraguri,kameme and disobedience of court orders. Sometimes we sink too low in our arguments This referendum is long overdue..Once and for all we shall decide who is bound by the law and who is not.Then we can move on with our lives when you know which side you belong.. Hope is not a strategy
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ati Ouma Oluga amesemaje? work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:ati Ouma Oluga amesemaje? Sigh... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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maka wrote:Tokyo wrote:ati Ouma Oluga amesemaje? Sigh... Tuambiwe, wengine wetu tuko mbali I care!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 10/30/2016 Posts: 39 Location: nairobi
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someone please tell me KMPDU chairman's tribalistic update on his timeline was fake! someone? where a woman rules, rivers run uphill!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/23/2011 Posts: 503
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thuks wrote:sparkly wrote:Let me ask a stupid question...Are doctors employees of National Government or County Governments? County governments pretend to be the employers, all salaries are remitted to them from central government. Point of correction. All staff employed by counties are paid by counties. The counties make their budgets based on estimated local revenue collections and shareable revenue from national government. The shareable revenue is a consolidated figure and does not prescribe the breakdown Even a BrOKeN clock is right twice a day
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