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githundi
#221 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:11:33 AM
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thuks wrote:
maka wrote:
thuks wrote:
Why's Wasilwas court thumping a bare bony chest?


She made a monumental blunder from the word go...

And the higher court refused to take the monkey from her back. smile

This thing is becoming a circus
Democracy does not belong to the dead
Ngalaka
#222 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 8:57:44 AM
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Posts: 1,566
murchr wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:



That's where you go wrong. Every job is important. Even the man who's job is to swim in the sewer so that your shit unblocks the drain is also important. In this context a doctor should not feel superior than the person incinerating stuff. Any doctor feeling they should be compensated more because he went to school should leave the public service and go private - into the business of giving care. If anything then, the cost should be passed to the patient.

Kenyans should not pretend to like/admire the Scandinavian ways and systems yet demand for capitalistic salaries and allowances.

If you want exorbitant salaries, privatize the entire health sector. Otherwise settle for the allocation in the budget.


In that case then there should be no point in having unions for persons working for the Govt.
Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Nurses, KAA, KPA employees, and all of the civil servants.


Unions are dying forces


Is that an observation of what is or is it an expression of what you would like to see!

Radical as it is.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
murchr
#223 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 4:09:51 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:



That's where you go wrong. Every job is important. Even the man who's job is to swim in the sewer so that your shit unblocks the drain is also important. In this context a doctor should not feel superior than the person incinerating stuff. Any doctor feeling they should be compensated more because he went to school should leave the public service and go private - into the business of giving care. If anything then, the cost should be passed to the patient.

Kenyans should not pretend to like/admire the Scandinavian ways and systems yet demand for capitalistic salaries and allowances.

If you want exorbitant salaries, privatize the entire health sector. Otherwise settle for the allocation in the budget.


In that case then there should be no point in having unions for persons working for the Govt.
Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Nurses, KAA, KPA employees, and all of the civil servants.


Unions are dying forces


Is that an observation of what is or is it an expression of what you would like to see!

Radical as it is.


Try observing.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Coolbull
#224 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:55:16 AM
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Joined: 10/23/2007
Posts: 604
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.

Anti_Burglar
#225 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:46:36 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.
sitaki.kujulikana
#226 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:13:15 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2012
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Quote:

The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU) when they entered into the agreement in 2013.


Quote:

... The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


alma1
#227 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:27:33 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Very swamped today but I can't let this lie pass.

Anti_Burglar don't pretend you are neutral in this story.

That is like pretending that Nation is neutral in the story..


That piece was an absolute hack job from a company that is owned by a competitor who would not want those doctors leaving his company.

When you want to read an media hack job, this is what they write....

1. Dr Mailu, the soft-spoken geneticist
2. at the centre of all the hubris
3. the negotiators’ inflexibility (i assume its the doctors since Mailu is softspoken)

And the worst piece of this hackathon

"Daily Nation is today exposing the insincerity, backtracking and outright arm-twisting"

Somehow they are now the guiding light of our nation...This paper is slowly loosing it's credibility.

This newspaper is lying without shame to its readers.

Quote:
The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU)



The KMPDU cannot register any agreement. Only the gov't can do that.

This other quote

Quote:
The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


Only the Executive has said it is illegal. The Legislature has not debated this matter. And the Judiciary in a ruling basically said the gov't was not doing what it should have done.

So why is Nation lying?

Write a neutral story not one filled with emotional undertones of a perfect gov't and a conniving doctor.

I don't know why Nation just wrote an article totally blaming one side for all the death in hospitals...Then coat it with emotion and an outright lie..

But you journalists on wazua can advise if this is common practice.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

alma1
#228 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:38:34 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
I knew it was a hack job

Now the supposed writer of the article says she did not write it.

and Nation has conveniently replaced her name with an anonymous "nation correspondent"


This newspaper is probably the cause of all the stupid voting in this country.

How many times do they lie in a day? And how much do I pay a nation journalist? I hear its 527 for bloggers. What's the going rate for a journalist and an editor who allows a lie to be printed on their paper?

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Coolbull
#229 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:43:15 PM
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Joined: 10/23/2007
Posts: 604
I have just come across a post/discussion on fb about the Daily Nation article. It was a lie. The purported document was not authored by doctors. The medics are still holding to the 2013 CBA.

Aga Khan owns the Nation and the Aga Khan University Hospital, a private medical facility which would lose if Public Healthcare was working.

According to the explanation by the medic, the strike could have been resolved long time ago but the big private facilities have fought every solution that seems to improve public health-care.

They know that if public hospitals are well equipped they could lose lots of business. Again they know if the government raises doctors' salaries and allowances, many of them would opt to work for the government where there is some sort of job security.

Heh! This propganda by Daily Nation is at another level. Wah!

Facebook post
FRM2011
#230 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:55:31 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
alma1 wrote:
I knew it was a hack job

Now the supposed writer of the article says she did not write it.

and Nation has conveniently replaced her name with an anonymous "nation correspondent"


This newspaper is probably the cause of all the stupid voting in this country.

How many times do they lie in a day? And how much do I pay a nation journalist? I hear its 527 for bloggers. What's the going rate for a journalist and an editor who allows a lie to be printed on their paper?



Ngai, is it that Tom mshindi has a plan to bring down the nmg empire or what ? Just when we think they have hit rock bottom, they keep digging deeper.
aemathenge
#231 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:42:14 PM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Apology accepted.
muganda
#232 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:09:37 PM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 3,905
Is the latest in the Press quoting doctors apropos: 'We are ready to compromise if government is willing to compromise'



Quote:
@kenyanpundit In 2006 after I completed my internship at KNH, GOK posted me to Mandera. My folks beseeched me not to go, but I decided to.
mind you, 6 other Docs who'd been posted there before me at various times, had immediately resigned after getting the posting.
so I go there with promises from GOK that if I work there for 2 yrs, they'll sponsor me for post graduate studies..

@kenyanpundit I get there & coz the hospital borders both Ethiopia & Somalia, I'm adviced to never sleep on bed in the quarters provided.
reason being, I may catch a stray bullet in my sleep. So, I'm to sleep on a mat on the floor for my own protection.
meanwhile they give me a hardship allowance of Ksh 600 ( it's Ksh 1200 if you're married )...
they promote me to a different job group, but my salary actually reduces. Reason being, house allowance in Mandera is 8k.
house allowance in Nairobi was 20k. So, I'm in a higher job group but getting lesser pay.
while in KNH, my net salary was 50k..In Mandera, it was 32k..So I'm the only Dr for miles around..
Mandera is approximately 1200 km from Nairobi. Traveling by bus would take a minimum of 2 days coz, no roads just camel tracks
fare to Mandera was Ksh 2500 at that time...Nairobi to Kampala was Ksh 2000..
I get there, there's nothing!!!No gloves, sutures, drugs etc...Almost all prescptions I wrote,patients had to go buy outside!
managed to borrow a few supplies from some NGO ( Save the children )..
at that time, Mandera had the highest Maternal & Fetal mortality rate in Kenya! I lobby the MOH to post a Gynae..
I also lobby AMREF,with their flying Drs program to consider including us in their monthly program where they operate for free
they agree & fly out every month with specialists in various fields flying over to perform various procedures for free...
the MOH finally posts a Gynae. My leave is finally approved & I go home..
after my leave is over, I'm at Eastleigh by 4:30 am to depart for Mandera with 'Desert Cruiser' which is leaving at 5:00 am..

@kenyanpundit I was on seat number 6..We reach Mwingi & the bus rolls. Number 1-10 die on the spot , except me number 6.

I was thrown out of the window when the bus started rolling...probably only reason I'm alive today...
I sustain multiple fractures & life threatening wounds. Rushed to Mwingi district hospital...
where they say my condition too severe, they can't handle so referral to KNH...
taken to KNH, where I spend more than an hour bleeding pale casualty. Folks ( who we met up with in casualty ) say f*** IT!!!
they requisition an ambulance & I'm shipped off to Avenue, where I'm ingizwad theater on arrival..
I I spend 3 weeks in hospital...Total bill almost 600k...Luckily I got some waivers from the surgeons who operated..
parents have to do a harambee to pay hospital bill coz NHIF paid only bed charges...
given 90 days sick leave...go to Afya house after they're up to ask for transfer coz still undergoing physiotherapy..
DMS tells me to go back to Mandera & they'll process my transfer when I'm there??!!..I RESIGNED ON THE SPOT!!!..

@kenyanpundit That's how much contempt GOK has for its Doctors!!!

hardwood
#233 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 7:48:03 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
muganda wrote:
Is the latest in the Press quoting doctors apropos: 'We are ready to compromise if government is willing to compromise'



Quote:
@kenyanpundit In 2006 after I completed my internship at KNH, GOK posted me to Mandera. My folks beseeched me not to go, but I decided to.
mind you, 6 other Docs who'd been posted there before me at various times, had immediately resigned after getting the posting.
so I go there with promises from GOK that if I work there for 2 yrs, they'll sponsor me for post graduate studies..

@kenyanpundit I get there & coz the hospital borders both Ethiopia & Somalia, I'm adviced to never sleep on bed in the quarters provided.
reason being, I may catch a stray bullet in my sleep. So, I'm to sleep on a mat on the floor for my own protection.
meanwhile they give me a hardship allowance of Ksh 600 ( it's Ksh 1200 if you're married )...
they promote me to a different job group, but my salary actually reduces. Reason being, house allowance in Mandera is 8k.
house allowance in Nairobi was 20k. So, I'm in a higher job group but getting lesser pay.
while in KNH, my net salary was 50k..In Mandera, it was 32k..So I'm the only Dr for miles around..
Mandera is approximately 1200 km from Nairobi. Traveling by bus would take a minimum of 2 days coz, no roads just camel tracks
fare to Mandera was Ksh 2500 at that time...Nairobi to Kampala was Ksh 2000..
I get there, there's nothing!!!No gloves, sutures, drugs etc...Almost all prescptions I wrote,patients had to go buy outside!
managed to borrow a few supplies from some NGO ( Save the children )..
at that time, Mandera had the highest Maternal & Fetal mortality rate in Kenya! I lobby the MOH to post a Gynae..
I also lobby AMREF,with their flying Drs program to consider including us in their monthly program where they operate for free
they agree & fly out every month with specialists in various fields flying over to perform various procedures for free...
the MOH finally posts a Gynae. My leave is finally approved & I go home..
after my leave is over, I'm at Eastleigh by 4:30 am to depart for Mandera with 'Desert Cruiser' which is leaving at 5:00 am..

@kenyanpundit I was on seat number 6..We reach Mwingi & the bus rolls. Number 1-10 die on the spot , except me number 6.

I was thrown out of the window when the bus started rolling...probably only reason I'm alive today...
I sustain multiple fractures & life threatening wounds. Rushed to Mwingi district hospital...
where they say my condition too severe, they can't handle so referral to KNH...
taken to KNH, where I spend more than an hour bleeding pale casualty. Folks ( who we met up with in casualty ) say f*** IT!!!
they requisition an ambulance & I'm shipped off to Avenue, where I'm ingizwad theater on arrival..
I I spend 3 weeks in hospital...Total bill almost 600k...Luckily I got some waivers from the surgeons who operated..
parents have to do a harambee to pay hospital bill coz NHIF paid only bed charges...
given 90 days sick leave...go to Afya house after they're up to ask for transfer coz still undergoing physiotherapy..
DMS tells me to go back to Mandera & they'll process my transfer when I'm there??!!..I RESIGNED ON THE SPOT!!!..

@kenyanpundit That's how much contempt GOK has for its Doctors!!!



When one applies for a job in gov't, one should be ready to be posted to any part of Kenya. So there is nothing wrong with being posted to Mandera. Also the house allowance differs depending on the area you are serving. A 2bdrm house in Nairobi doesn't cost the same as a 2bdrm in Mandera and that is why those in smaller towns get less for housing.

The doctor mixes issues when he blames the gov't for the accident he was involved in and the subsequent experience. He should be telling us why doctors who were trained in the same class or university but now serve in different hospitals seems to have different capacities to handle medical cases with those at Mwingi and KNH unable to treat him but those are the private Avenue hospital were able to do it. It shows that doctors serving in public hospitals are negligent. Those at Avenue hospital may be having "daily targets" and also any negative customer feedback may lead to them losing their jobs which isn't the case with gov't docs and thus the laxity.

So all that i am saying is that what that doctor has written up there is total bullcrap.
aemathenge
#234 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:30:36 PM
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hardwood wrote:
When one applies for a job in gov't, one should be ready to be posted to any part of Kenya. So there is nothing wrong with being posted to Mandera. Also the house allowance differs depending on the area you are serving. A 2bdrm house in Nairobi doesn't cost the same as a 2bdrm in Mandera and that is why those in smaller towns get less for housing.

The doctor mixes issues when he blames the gov't for the accident he was involved in and the subsequent experience. He should be telling us why doctors who were trained in the same class or university but now serve in different hospitals seems to have different capacities to handle medical cases with those at Mwingi and KNH unable to treat him but those are the private Avenue hospital were able to do it. It shows that doctors serving in public hospitals are negligent. Those at Avenue hospital may be having "daily targets" and also any negative customer feedback may lead to them losing their jobs which isn't the case with gov't docs and thus the laxity.

So all that i am saying is that what that doctor has written up there is total bullcrap.


And yours is the most condescending bunkum I have encountered on this thread.
muganda
#235 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 8:21:38 AM
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Joined: 9/15/2006
Posts: 3,905
aemathenge wrote:
hardwood wrote:
When one applies for a job in gov't, one should be ready to be posted to any part of Kenya. So there is nothing wrong with being posted to Mandera. Also the house allowance differs depending on the area you are serving. A 2bdrm house in Nairobi doesn't cost the same as a 2bdrm in Mandera and that is why those in smaller towns get less for housing.

The doctor mixes issues when he blames the gov't for the accident he was involved in and the subsequent experience. He should be telling us why doctors who were trained in the same class or university but now serve in different hospitals seems to have different capacities to handle medical cases with those at Mwingi and KNH unable to treat him but those are the private Avenue hospital were able to do it. It shows that doctors serving in public hospitals are negligent. Those at Avenue hospital may be having "daily targets" and also any negative customer feedback may lead to them losing their jobs which isn't the case with gov't docs and thus the laxity.

So all that i am saying is that what that doctor has written up there is total bullcrap.


And yours is the most condescending bunkum I have encountered on this thread.



As we disagree on whether gov. or doctors are less intelligent, while ill mwenyenchi await to vote, MPs make off with 4bn

Treasury forms team to determine Sh4.58 billion gratuity for MPs, governors
Anti_Burglar
#236 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:13:48 AM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
muganda wrote:
Is the latest in the Press quoting doctors apropos: 'We are ready to compromise if government is willing to compromise'



Quote:
@kenyanpundit In 2006 after I completed my internship at KNH, GOK posted me to Mandera. My folks beseeched me not to go, but I decided to.
mind you, 6 other Docs who'd been posted there before me at various times, had immediately resigned after getting the posting.
so I go there with promises from GOK that if I work there for 2 yrs, they'll sponsor me for post graduate studies..

@kenyanpundit I get there & coz the hospital borders both Ethiopia & Somalia, I'm adviced to never sleep on bed in the quarters provided.
reason being, I may catch a stray bullet in my sleep. So, I'm to sleep on a mat on the floor for my own protection.
meanwhile they give me a hardship allowance of Ksh 600 ( it's Ksh 1200 if you're married )...
they promote me to a different job group, but my salary actually reduces. Reason being, house allowance in Mandera is 8k.
house allowance in Nairobi was 20k. So, I'm in a higher job group but getting lesser pay.
while in KNH, my net salary was 50k..In Mandera, it was 32k..So I'm the only Dr for miles around..
Mandera is approximately 1200 km from Nairobi. Traveling by bus would take a minimum of 2 days coz, no roads just camel tracks
fare to Mandera was Ksh 2500 at that time...Nairobi to Kampala was Ksh 2000..
I get there, there's nothing!!!No gloves, sutures, drugs etc...Almost all prescptions I wrote,patients had to go buy outside!
managed to borrow a few supplies from some NGO ( Save the children )..
at that time, Mandera had the highest Maternal & Fetal mortality rate in Kenya! I lobby the MOH to post a Gynae..
I also lobby AMREF,with their flying Drs program to consider including us in their monthly program where they operate for free
they agree & fly out every month with specialists in various fields flying over to perform various procedures for free...
the MOH finally posts a Gynae. My leave is finally approved & I go home..
after my leave is over, I'm at Eastleigh by 4:30 am to depart for Mandera with 'Desert Cruiser' which is leaving at 5:00 am..

@kenyanpundit I was on seat number 6..We reach Mwingi & the bus rolls. Number 1-10 die on the spot , except me number 6.

I was thrown out of the window when the bus started rolling...probably only reason I'm alive today...
I sustain multiple fractures & life threatening wounds. Rushed to Mwingi district hospital...
where they say my condition too severe, they can't handle so referral to KNH...
taken to KNH, where I spend more than an hour bleeding pale casualty. Folks ( who we met up with in casualty ) say f*** IT!!!
they requisition an ambulance & I'm shipped off to Avenue, where I'm ingizwad theater on arrival..
I I spend 3 weeks in hospital...Total bill almost 600k...Luckily I got some waivers from the surgeons who operated..
parents have to do a harambee to pay hospital bill coz NHIF paid only bed charges...
given 90 days sick leave...go to Afya house after they're up to ask for transfer coz still undergoing physiotherapy..
DMS tells me to go back to Mandera & they'll process my transfer when I'm there??!!..I RESIGNED ON THE SPOT!!!..

@kenyanpundit That's how much contempt GOK has for its Doctors!!!




Muganda, I remember asking you for some clarifications but don't remember you responding. I'm not being insensitive to the doctors but I want your take on this:

How is the 2013 CBA, as it is (you have read it and now know what it contains), once implemented going to solve all these issues highlighted above? How is it going to solve the issue of pharmtechs in the pharmacy, solve the issue of cold chain etc, and solve local community perceptions on reproductive health issues etc and solve road accidents on our highways and solve lethargy at KHN casualty?

Lets talk about the 2013 CBA and not some lofty vision 2030-like ideal on how the general health care status ought to be.

I think mine are genuine questions that deserve equally genuine answers.
alma1
#237 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:19:01 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Anti_Burglar wrote:
muganda wrote:
Is the latest in the Press quoting doctors apropos: 'We are ready to compromise if government is willing to compromise'



Quote:
@kenyanpundit In 2006 after I completed my internship at KNH, GOK posted me to Mandera. My folks beseeched me not to go, but I decided to.
mind you, 6 other Docs who'd been posted there before me at various times, had immediately resigned after getting the posting.
so I go there with promises from GOK that if I work there for 2 yrs, they'll sponsor me for post graduate studies..

@kenyanpundit I get there & coz the hospital borders both Ethiopia & Somalia, I'm adviced to never sleep on bed in the quarters provided.
reason being, I may catch a stray bullet in my sleep. So, I'm to sleep on a mat on the floor for my own protection.
meanwhile they give me a hardship allowance of Ksh 600 ( it's Ksh 1200 if you're married )...
they promote me to a different job group, but my salary actually reduces. Reason being, house allowance in Mandera is 8k.
house allowance in Nairobi was 20k. So, I'm in a higher job group but getting lesser pay.
while in KNH, my net salary was 50k..In Mandera, it was 32k..So I'm the only Dr for miles around..
Mandera is approximately 1200 km from Nairobi. Traveling by bus would take a minimum of 2 days coz, no roads just camel tracks
fare to Mandera was Ksh 2500 at that time...Nairobi to Kampala was Ksh 2000..
I get there, there's nothing!!!No gloves, sutures, drugs etc...Almost all prescptions I wrote,patients had to go buy outside!
managed to borrow a few supplies from some NGO ( Save the children )..
at that time, Mandera had the highest Maternal & Fetal mortality rate in Kenya! I lobby the MOH to post a Gynae..
I also lobby AMREF,with their flying Drs program to consider including us in their monthly program where they operate for free
they agree & fly out every month with specialists in various fields flying over to perform various procedures for free...
the MOH finally posts a Gynae. My leave is finally approved & I go home..
after my leave is over, I'm at Eastleigh by 4:30 am to depart for Mandera with 'Desert Cruiser' which is leaving at 5:00 am..

@kenyanpundit I was on seat number 6..We reach Mwingi & the bus rolls. Number 1-10 die on the spot , except me number 6.

I was thrown out of the window when the bus started rolling...probably only reason I'm alive today...
I sustain multiple fractures & life threatening wounds. Rushed to Mwingi district hospital...
where they say my condition too severe, they can't handle so referral to KNH...
taken to KNH, where I spend more than an hour bleeding pale casualty. Folks ( who we met up with in casualty ) say f*** IT!!!
they requisition an ambulance & I'm shipped off to Avenue, where I'm ingizwad theater on arrival..
I I spend 3 weeks in hospital...Total bill almost 600k...Luckily I got some waivers from the surgeons who operated..
parents have to do a harambee to pay hospital bill coz NHIF paid only bed charges...
given 90 days sick leave...go to Afya house after they're up to ask for transfer coz still undergoing physiotherapy..
DMS tells me to go back to Mandera & they'll process my transfer when I'm there??!!..I RESIGNED ON THE SPOT!!!..

@kenyanpundit That's how much contempt GOK has for its Doctors!!!




Muganda, I remember asking you for some clarifications but don't remember you responding. I'm not being insensitive to the doctors but I want your take on this:

How is the 2013 CBA, as it is (you have read it and now know what it contains), once implemented going to solve all these issues highlighted above? How is it going to solve the issue of pharmtechs in the pharmacy, solve the issue of cold chain etc, and solve local community perceptions on reproductive health issues etc and solve road accidents on our highways and solve lethargy at KHN casualty?

Lets talk about the 2013 CBA and not some lofty vision 2030-like ideal on how the general health care status ought to be.

I think mine are genuine questions that deserve equally genuine answers.


No Anti-Burglar

Those are the games the doctors have refused to play.

With all the wisdom on wazua I believe that the Jubilee gov't is wiser.

It is not possible for us to be wiser than Jubilee.

So in 2013, in their wisdom they decided to sign this document, which you want us to debate on again.

This document was created by a team led by a Jubilee mole called Mutava Musyimi.

He in his widsom together with other tecnocrats so that "it was good".

Note: After 1 and half years

Now you want us to discuss it on wazua in a day...

These jubilee games have to end one day.

You meet, you agree, you sign

Then years later they say, it was an evil document.

After lying to Kenyans about the content and even the context of their meetings, it's only good that they do what they promised.

We are cool with no stadiums

But Kenyans are dying!
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Anti_Burglar
#238 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:20:04 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 9/11/2015
Posts: 1,024
alma1 wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Very swamped today but I can't let this lie pass.

Anti_Burglar don't pretend you are neutral in this story.

That is like pretending that Nation is neutral in the story..


That piece was an absolute hack job from a company that is owned by a competitor who would not want those doctors leaving his company.

When you want to read an media hack job, this is what they write....

1. Dr Mailu, the soft-spoken geneticist
2. at the centre of all the hubris
3. the negotiators’ inflexibility (i assume its the doctors since Mailu is softspoken)

And the worst piece of this hackathon

"Daily Nation is today exposing the insincerity, backtracking and outright arm-twisting"

Somehow they are now the guiding light of our nation...This paper is slowly loosing it's credibility.

This newspaper is lying without shame to its readers.

Quote:
The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU)



The KMPDU cannot register any agreement. Only the gov't can do that.

This other quote

Quote:
The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


Only the Executive has said it is illegal. The Legislature has not debated this matter. And the Judiciary in a ruling basically said the gov't was not doing what it should have done.

So why is Nation lying?

Write a neutral story not one filled with emotional undertones of a perfect gov't and a conniving doctor.

I don't know why Nation just wrote an article totally blaming one side for all the death in hospitals...Then coat it with emotion and an outright lie..

But you journalists on wazua can advise if this is common practice.


We should separate the hard working and lovely doctors from the ones who are not. It is unfair to lump them all together.
maka
#239 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:26:40 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Anti_Burglar wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Very swamped today but I can't let this lie pass.

Anti_Burglar don't pretend you are neutral in this story.

That is like pretending that Nation is neutral in the story..


That piece was an absolute hack job from a company that is owned by a competitor who would not want those doctors leaving his company.

When you want to read an media hack job, this is what they write....

1. Dr Mailu, the soft-spoken geneticist
2. at the centre of all the hubris
3. the negotiators’ inflexibility (i assume its the doctors since Mailu is softspoken)

And the worst piece of this hackathon

"Daily Nation is today exposing the insincerity, backtracking and outright arm-twisting"

Somehow they are now the guiding light of our nation...This paper is slowly loosing it's credibility.

This newspaper is lying without shame to its readers.

Quote:
The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU)



The KMPDU cannot register any agreement. Only the gov't can do that.

This other quote

Quote:
The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


Only the Executive has said it is illegal. The Legislature has not debated this matter. And the Judiciary in a ruling basically said the gov't was not doing what it should have done.

So why is Nation lying?

Write a neutral story not one filled with emotional undertones of a perfect gov't and a conniving doctor.

I don't know why Nation just wrote an article totally blaming one side for all the death in hospitals...Then coat it with emotion and an outright lie..

But you journalists on wazua can advise if this is common practice.


We should separate the hard working and lovely doctors from the ones who are not. It is unfair to lump them all together.


Yes...
possunt quia posse videntur
alma1
#240 Posted : Wednesday, February 08, 2017 11:29:57 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
maka wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Very swamped today but I can't let this lie pass.

Anti_Burglar don't pretend you are neutral in this story.

That is like pretending that Nation is neutral in the story..


That piece was an absolute hack job from a company that is owned by a competitor who would not want those doctors leaving his company.

When you want to read an media hack job, this is what they write....

1. Dr Mailu, the soft-spoken geneticist
2. at the centre of all the hubris
3. the negotiators’ inflexibility (i assume its the doctors since Mailu is softspoken)

And the worst piece of this hackathon

"Daily Nation is today exposing the insincerity, backtracking and outright arm-twisting"

Somehow they are now the guiding light of our nation...This paper is slowly loosing it's credibility.

This newspaper is lying without shame to its readers.

Quote:
The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU)



The KMPDU cannot register any agreement. Only the gov't can do that.

This other quote

Quote:
The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


Only the Executive has said it is illegal. The Legislature has not debated this matter. And the Judiciary in a ruling basically said the gov't was not doing what it should have done.

So why is Nation lying?

Write a neutral story not one filled with emotional undertones of a perfect gov't and a conniving doctor.

I don't know why Nation just wrote an article totally blaming one side for all the death in hospitals...Then coat it with emotion and an outright lie..

But you journalists on wazua can advise if this is common practice.


We should separate the hard working and lovely doctors from the ones who are not. It is unfair to lump them all together.


Yes...


I guess the hardworking doctors in this case mean those who accept 40k a month and agree to be sent to Mandera with 600 bob hardship allowance.

By the way Anti do you know that the same doctor who treats you at Aga Khan is the same doctor who treats you at KNH, where someone forgot to buy gloves?

There is a thread on wazua about slavery...Apt in this case.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

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