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githundi
#221 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 12:11:33 AM
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thuks wrote:
maka wrote:
thuks wrote:
Why's Wasilwas court thumping a bare bony chest?


She made a monumental blunder from the word go...

And the higher court refused to take the monkey from her back. smile

This thing is becoming a circus
Democracy does not belong to the dead
Ngalaka
#222 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 8:57:44 AM
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murchr wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:



That's where you go wrong. Every job is important. Even the man who's job is to swim in the sewer so that your shit unblocks the drain is also important. In this context a doctor should not feel superior than the person incinerating stuff. Any doctor feeling they should be compensated more because he went to school should leave the public service and go private - into the business of giving care. If anything then, the cost should be passed to the patient.

Kenyans should not pretend to like/admire the Scandinavian ways and systems yet demand for capitalistic salaries and allowances.

If you want exorbitant salaries, privatize the entire health sector. Otherwise settle for the allocation in the budget.


In that case then there should be no point in having unions for persons working for the Govt.
Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Nurses, KAA, KPA employees, and all of the civil servants.


Unions are dying forces


Is that an observation of what is or is it an expression of what you would like to see!

Radical as it is.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
murchr
#223 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2017 4:09:51 PM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
murchr wrote:



That's where you go wrong. Every job is important. Even the man who's job is to swim in the sewer so that your shit unblocks the drain is also important. In this context a doctor should not feel superior than the person incinerating stuff. Any doctor feeling they should be compensated more because he went to school should leave the public service and go private - into the business of giving care. If anything then, the cost should be passed to the patient.

Kenyans should not pretend to like/admire the Scandinavian ways and systems yet demand for capitalistic salaries and allowances.

If you want exorbitant salaries, privatize the entire health sector. Otherwise settle for the allocation in the budget.


In that case then there should be no point in having unions for persons working for the Govt.
Doctors, Teachers, Lecturers, Nurses, KAA, KPA employees, and all of the civil servants.


Unions are dying forces


Is that an observation of what is or is it an expression of what you would like to see!

Radical as it is.


Try observing.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Coolbull
#224 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:55:16 AM
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If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.

Anti_Burglar
#225 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:46:36 AM
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Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.
sitaki.kujulikana
#226 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:13:15 PM
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Quote:

The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU) when they entered into the agreement in 2013.


Quote:

... The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


alma1
#227 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:27:33 PM
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Joined: 9/19/2015
Posts: 2,871
Location: hapo
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Coolbull wrote:
If the report by Daily Nation today is true then Kenyan Doctors or their officials are the real Doctors From Hell.




I raised the issue earlier but a couple of well meaning but misguided Wazuans almost ran me out of town.

They presented a rosy picture complete with hollywood style computer-generated imagery of how all our health problems will be solved if the doctors get their CBA implemented all the while downplaying and flat out denying the issue of higher pay the doctors were demanding.

They insisted I do not have to read any document except what they were peddling that the government has refused to do what it promised to do.

It is true doctors have a valid reason to ask for better terms, but a certain clique of few but evil doctors are behind this protracted battle in which the many conscientious doctors have been unwittingly drawn in, doctors whose ambition does not include living in opulence.



Very swamped today but I can't let this lie pass.

Anti_Burglar don't pretend you are neutral in this story.

That is like pretending that Nation is neutral in the story..


That piece was an absolute hack job from a company that is owned by a competitor who would not want those doctors leaving his company.

When you want to read an media hack job, this is what they write....

1. Dr Mailu, the soft-spoken geneticist
2. at the centre of all the hubris
3. the negotiators’ inflexibility (i assume its the doctors since Mailu is softspoken)

And the worst piece of this hackathon

"Daily Nation is today exposing the insincerity, backtracking and outright arm-twisting"

Somehow they are now the guiding light of our nation...This paper is slowly loosing it's credibility.

This newspaper is lying without shame to its readers.

Quote:
The Labour Relations Act requires that such agreements be registered with the Industrial Court, something that had not been done by either the government or the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union (KMPDU)



The KMPDU cannot register any agreement. Only the gov't can do that.

This other quote

Quote:
The doctors are hanging on the promises of a document that the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary say is illegal, but they insist that a promise is a promise, and it should be kept.


Only the Executive has said it is illegal. The Legislature has not debated this matter. And the Judiciary in a ruling basically said the gov't was not doing what it should have done.

So why is Nation lying?

Write a neutral story not one filled with emotional undertones of a perfect gov't and a conniving doctor.

I don't know why Nation just wrote an article totally blaming one side for all the death in hospitals...Then coat it with emotion and an outright lie..

But you journalists on wazua can advise if this is common practice.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

alma1
#228 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:38:34 PM
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I knew it was a hack job

Now the supposed writer of the article says she did not write it.

and Nation has conveniently replaced her name with an anonymous "nation correspondent"


This newspaper is probably the cause of all the stupid voting in this country.

How many times do they lie in a day? And how much do I pay a nation journalist? I hear its 527 for bloggers. What's the going rate for a journalist and an editor who allows a lie to be printed on their paper?

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Coolbull
#229 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:43:15 PM
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I have just come across a post/discussion on fb about the Daily Nation article. It was a lie. The purported document was not authored by doctors. The medics are still holding to the 2013 CBA.

Aga Khan owns the Nation and the Aga Khan University Hospital, a private medical facility which would lose if Public Healthcare was working.

According to the explanation by the medic, the strike could have been resolved long time ago but the big private facilities have fought every solution that seems to improve public health-care.

They know that if public hospitals are well equipped they could lose lots of business. Again they know if the government raises doctors' salaries and allowances, many of them would opt to work for the government where there is some sort of job security.

Heh! This propganda by Daily Nation is at another level. Wah!

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FRM2011
#230 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:55:31 PM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
alma1 wrote:
I knew it was a hack job

Now the supposed writer of the article says she did not write it.

and Nation has conveniently replaced her name with an anonymous "nation correspondent"


This newspaper is probably the cause of all the stupid voting in this country.

How many times do they lie in a day? And how much do I pay a nation journalist? I hear its 527 for bloggers. What's the going rate for a journalist and an editor who allows a lie to be printed on their paper?



Ngai, is it that Tom mshindi has a plan to bring down the nmg empire or what ? Just when we think they have hit rock bottom, they keep digging deeper.
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