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Nandwa
#41 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2017 5:37:17 PM
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@ AlphDoti
An innocent question;
I understand Jesus is regarded as a prophet in your faith – Islam.
So does Islam also hold this as the true lineage of Jesus or do they have a separate lineage.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
AlphDoti
#42 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:26:17 PM
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Nandwa wrote:
@ AlphDoti
An innocent question;
I understand Jesus is regarded as a prophet in your faith – Islam.
So does Islam also hold this as the true lineage of Jesus or do they have a separate lineage.

@nandwa, I like your question. But the man, prophet Isa (Jesus Christ) had no genealogy, he had no father. Unless you want the genealogy of his mother, Mary.

Unfortunately, the writers of Bible have manufactured a gealogy for him, and a very interesting one indeed! Six adulterers and offsprings of incest are attributed to him.

Yet their own Bible condemns children born out of wedlock:
“The bastard shall not enter the congregation of the Lord even unto the tenth generation.” (Deuteronomy 23:2).
tycho
#43 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2017 7:22:14 PM
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Clearly, Gods die at different rates for different people.

My new hobby now is watching Gods die. And new ones emerging.

God watching.
hamburglar
#44 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:55:29 AM
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Today, we look at the good book of Exodus. Very holy. Enjoy reading.

EXODUS 2:12 Moses saw an Egyptian beating up a Hebrew. He looked around, saw no witnesses, killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.

EXODUS 7:2-4 God hardened Pharaoh’s heart and planned his "mighty acts of judgment.

EXODUS 7:20-21 God turned the Nile river to blood. The fish died, and the water was undrinkable.

EXODUS 8: 6-7 God sent a plague of frogs which covered the land.

EXODUS 8:16 God sent a plague of gnats.

EXODUS 8:24 God sent a swarm of flies.

EXODUS 9:5 God killed all of the Egyptian livestock with a plague.

EXODUS 9:10 God sent a plague of festering boils on the people and animals.

EXODUS 9:22-25 God sent a hail storm to Egypt, striking man and animal, stripping the land.

EXODUS 12: 29 God killed the first-born in every Egyptian home that wasn’t marked with lamb’s blood.

EXODUS 17:13 Moses held out the staff of God, allowing Joshua to kill the Amalekites.

EXODUS 21:20-21 According to God’s law, it was wrong to beat a slave to the point of death. But if the slave survived and got back up within a few days, the beating wasn’t punishable, because the slave was the property of the master. (God endorsed slavery and the beating of slaves.)

EXODUS 32:27 After seeing the golden calf, God commanded the Levites, "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." 3,000 were slaughtered, and God was pleased.
Lolest!
#45 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:16:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Nandwa wrote:
@ AlphDoti
An innocent question;
I understand Jesus is regarded as a prophet in your faith – Islam.
So does Islam also hold this as the true lineage of Jesus or do they have a separate lineage.

@nandwa, I like your question. But the man, prophet Isa (Jesus Christ) had no genealogy, he had no father. Unless you want the genealogy of his mother, Mary.

Unfortunately, the writers of Bible have manufactured a gealogy for him, and a very interesting one indeed! Six adulterers and offsprings of incest are attributed to him.

Yet their own Bible condemns children born out of wedlock:
“The bastard shall not enter the congregation of the Lord even unto the tenth generation.” (Deuteronomy 23:2).

The message of grace!!
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Lolest!
#46 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:18:57 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
For our first Sunday, we look at the book of Genesis. Enjoy the teachings.

GENESIS 34:13 Shechem had premarital sex with Jacob’s daughter Dinah, which angered Jacob’s sons. Shechem and his father, Hamor, agreed to circumcision for the men in the city in order for Shechem to marry Dinah and make Jacob’s other daughters eligible for the men of the city. Three days later, while the men were still enduring the pain of circumcision, Jacob’s sons attacked the unsuspecting city, killing Shechem and Hamor with swords, looting the city, seizing the flocks, herds, possessions and wealth, plundering the houses and carrying off their women and children.

GENESIS 6 & 7 Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.

GENESIS 19:6- In Sodom, Lot’s home was assaulted by a homosexual mob seeking to have relations with two angels. Lot volunteered his virgin daughters to the crowd, saying "you can do what you like with them" as long as the guests are left alone. After offering his children to be raped, Lot was then appointed by God as worthy of rescue from Sodom’s destruction.

GENESIS 19:26: God, still unfazed by the proposed rape of Lot’s virgin daughters, turned Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt for the heinous crime of looking over her shoulder.

GENESIS 38: 8-10 – Onan was instructed by Judah to lay with his brother’s wife to produce offspring for his brother (who was put to death by God for wickedness). Onan slept with his brother’s wife but "spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother" (NIV). God found this wicked, so God killed him.

So? What's your point? Are you finally actually admitting that God exists but He's not compassionate?

Now, you need to understand that the Bible is not a bedtime storybook for kids, it's a true account of real events - good and bad.

So, let me shock you further, the woman (Tamar) in the last passage you have quoted (Gen 38) goes on to dress as a prostitute and confused her late husband's father to lay with her and she becomes pregnant. And here comes the shocker, through her and this 'illegitimate' child, she continued the lineage through which Jesus was born. So, Tamar went on to become Jesus's great, great, great grandma.

The book of God, the Bible telling us a story of Juda negotiating with a 'prostitute' on the road side, what he will pay and how he will pay and landing on her...

Out of this incest, and prostitution between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ ("And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar...")


What an amazing book the Bible is! You can't make up these stuff up even in your wildest dreams. Hata Stephen King doesn't come close.

@2012, surely it is amazing!

LOOK AT KOINANGE STREET NEGOTIATION

"When Judah saw her (Tamar, his daughter-in-law), he thought she was a prostitute, because she had covered her face. "He went over to her at the side of the road and said, "ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE?"
"She said, what will you give me?"
'He answered, I WILL SEND YOU A YOUNG GOAT FROM MY FLOCK"
She said, "All right, if you will give me something to keep as a pledge until you send the goat.'..
He gave them (the pledges) to her. Then had INTERCOURSE, and she became pregnant GENESIS 38:15-18

Out of this incestuous relationship between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who became the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ!

smile smile

So? Didn't Muhammad lust over his daughter in law later marrying her?
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Ja-Kom
#47 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:07:32 AM
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Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
Lolest!
#48 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:19:42 AM
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Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Anti_Burglar
#49 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:00:52 AM
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2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
For our first Sunday, we look at the book of Genesis. Enjoy the teachings.

GENESIS 34:13 Shechem had premarital sex with Jacob’s daughter Dinah, which angered Jacob’s sons. Shechem and his father, Hamor, agreed to circumcision for the men in the city in order for Shechem to marry Dinah and make Jacob’s other daughters eligible for the men of the city. Three days later, while the men were still enduring the pain of circumcision, Jacob’s sons attacked the unsuspecting city, killing Shechem and Hamor with swords, looting the city, seizing the flocks, herds, possessions and wealth, plundering the houses and carrying off their women and children.

GENESIS 6 & 7 Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.

GENESIS 19:6- In Sodom, Lot’s home was assaulted by a homosexual mob seeking to have relations with two angels. Lot volunteered his virgin daughters to the crowd, saying "you can do what you like with them" as long as the guests are left alone. After offering his children to be raped, Lot was then appointed by God as worthy of rescue from Sodom’s destruction.

GENESIS 19:26: God, still unfazed by the proposed rape of Lot’s virgin daughters, turned Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt for the heinous crime of looking over her shoulder.

GENESIS 38: 8-10 – Onan was instructed by Judah to lay with his brother’s wife to produce offspring for his brother (who was put to death by God for wickedness). Onan slept with his brother’s wife but "spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother" (NIV). God found this wicked, so God killed him.

So? What's your point? Are you finally actually admitting that God exists but He's not compassionate?

Now, you need to understand that the Bible is not a bedtime storybook for kids, it's a true account of real events - good and bad.

So, let me shock you further, the woman (Tamar) in the last passage you have quoted (Gen 38) goes on to dress as a prostitute and confused her late husband's father to lay with her and she becomes pregnant. And here comes the shocker, through her and this 'illegitimate' child, she continued the lineage through which Jesus was born. So, Tamar went on to become Jesus's great, great, great grandma.

The book of God, the Bible telling us a story of Juda negotiating with a 'prostitute' on the road side, what he will pay and how he will pay and landing on her...

Out of this incest, and prostitution between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ ("And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar...")


What an amazing book the Bible is! You can't make up these stuff up even in your wildest dreams. Hata Stephen King doesn't come close.



2012, what are you trying to do? Make Ja-kom's work a tad more difficult?
Tokyo
#50 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 1:07:28 PM
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The so called "holy books " are just sensational novels written literally to excite target readers in the Middle East then. Similar to John Kiriamiti - my life in crime being a holy book 2000yrs to come.
work to prosper
AlphDoti
#51 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 4:56:59 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Anti_Burglar wrote:
2012 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2012 wrote:
hamburglar wrote:
For our first Sunday, we look at the book of Genesis. Enjoy the teachings.

GENESIS 34:13 Shechem had premarital sex with Jacob’s daughter Dinah, which angered Jacob’s sons. Shechem and his father, Hamor, agreed to circumcision for the men in the city in order for Shechem to marry Dinah and make Jacob’s other daughters eligible for the men of the city. Three days later, while the men were still enduring the pain of circumcision, Jacob’s sons attacked the unsuspecting city, killing Shechem and Hamor with swords, looting the city, seizing the flocks, herds, possessions and wealth, plundering the houses and carrying off their women and children.

GENESIS 6 & 7 Unhappy with the wickedness of man, God killed every living thing on the planet except Noah’s family. Men, women, infants and animals drowned in unimaginable terror and agony.

GENESIS 19:6- In Sodom, Lot’s home was assaulted by a homosexual mob seeking to have relations with two angels. Lot volunteered his virgin daughters to the crowd, saying "you can do what you like with them" as long as the guests are left alone. After offering his children to be raped, Lot was then appointed by God as worthy of rescue from Sodom’s destruction.

GENESIS 19:26: God, still unfazed by the proposed rape of Lot’s virgin daughters, turned Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt for the heinous crime of looking over her shoulder.

GENESIS 38: 8-10 – Onan was instructed by Judah to lay with his brother’s wife to produce offspring for his brother (who was put to death by God for wickedness). Onan slept with his brother’s wife but "spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother" (NIV). God found this wicked, so God killed him.

So? What's your point? Are you finally actually admitting that God exists but He's not compassionate?

Now, you need to understand that the Bible is not a bedtime storybook for kids, it's a true account of real events - good and bad.

So, let me shock you further, the woman (Tamar) in the last passage you have quoted (Gen 38) goes on to dress as a prostitute and confused her late husband's father to lay with her and she becomes pregnant. And here comes the shocker, through her and this 'illegitimate' child, she continued the lineage through which Jesus was born. So, Tamar went on to become Jesus's great, great, great grandma.

The book of God, the Bible telling us a story of Juda negotiating with a 'prostitute' on the road side, what he will pay and how he will pay and landing on her...

Out of this incest, and prostitution between a father-in-law and his daughter-in-law, twins were born, who were destined to become the great-grand-fathers of Jesus Christ ("And Judas begat Phares and Zarah of Thamar...")

What an amazing book the Bible is! You can't make up these stuff up even in your wildest dreams. Hata Stephen King doesn't come close.

2012, what are you trying to do? Make Ja-kom's work a tad more difficult?

@anti_burglar, are you asking what @2012 is trying to do?

I think he is trying to rally the support of Ja-kom to take a survey of the Churches just to make sure there are no evil bastards or bitches lurking in there to ruin the holy house of God for everyone.

I suggest he starts with those hypocrite Christian orphanage institutions who are taking those kids to church in full disregard of Bible Deuteronomy 23:2.

"A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord."
Ja-Kom
#52 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:31:11 AM
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The answer to Deuteronomy 23:2 is in Hebrews 12:8.The definition of illegitimacy and all...
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
Anti_Burglar
#53 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:47:33 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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Ja-Kom's laser focus is kali. Impressive. We have been tolerating the swamps and marshes of Alphdotism long enough.
youngrich&idle
#54 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2017 2:56:44 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.
Anti_Burglar
#55 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:26:49 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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youngrich&idle wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.



What is this eschatology? Like which one?
Lolest!
#56 Posted : Wednesday, February 01, 2017 5:10:25 PM
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Eschatology ni mambo za end days
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hamburglar
#57 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2017 5:59:53 AM
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youngrich&idle wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.


Ati atheism is devil what?????? Hahahahaha. You must be high no wonder you are using words like escha....what was that again? Lol
FRM2011
#58 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2017 8:17:06 AM
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Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
youngrich&idle wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.


Your post was going very well until the highlighted above. That paragraph contains all fallacies in can imagine. It's almost like it was written by someone else.
Liv
#59 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2017 8:26:20 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
youngrich&idle wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.


Your post was going very well until the highlighted above. That paragraph contains all fallacies in can imagine. It's almost like it was written by someone else.


What is wrong with that paragraph?

tycho
#60 Posted : Friday, February 03, 2017 8:28:36 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
youngrich&idle wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Ja-Kom wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
@hamburglar, God murdered 50,070 for looking into a box d'oh! d'oh!

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV)

19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the Lord, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the Lord had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Now you see Allah is the most disgusting god ever to be imagined.


Silly me. Up till now, I always thought that Allah=Eloha=Jehova 🙄

No...the god they worship is different from ours....

Applause Applause tofauti kabisa!


There's virtually no difference between desert gods regardless of name. What one finds however is that the material environment seem to influence the gods imagine by people. Amongst the eskimo, notions of hell involved ideas of a very cold place, since heat was highly desired hence being condemned to a hot hell would not be viewed negatively. Likewise the desert religions conceive punishment in terms of a hot location rather than a cold one.

When one looks at budhist notions of religion one finds a religion seeking repose and relaxation since asian culteres were basically well fed. For Confucianism as evolved in china, one finds that it was a religion founded on beurocratic principles which included not surprisingly meritocracy and earthly equity.
My point is this, all these arguments between followers of the two desert religions and against both of them neither proves atheism or which one between islam and christianity is better, since both are literally two sides of the same coin.

Atheism remains a false idea that never stands to any kind of sustained scrutiny. Atheism brother is Secular Humanism which simply replaces an unseen god for the human, specifically, the male human. ie self worship. This almost always leads to occult worship which goes back to demon worship. In other words an atheist is an agnostic closet devil worshipper by default.

Perhaps the best way to compare religions is to judge them by their claims. What makes christianity stand apart is the idea of foretelling or prophecy especially detailed eschatology.


Your post was going very well until the highlighted above. That paragraph contains all fallacies in can imagine. It's almost like it was written by someone else.


Atheism is indeed secular humanism, and may in fact express itself in male terms in many cases. Occultism is of course a different thing altogether, and devil worship may be a moot point especially when 'devil' is also assumed to be universal.

We're always cognitively limited by our mind programs and algorithms so don't worry when others say what we believe is preposterous. It's a good thing actually. It's space for development.

Problems arise when we think that we want to conclude issues rather than explore.
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