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POTUS TRUMP
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#241 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:54:56 AM
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masukuma
#242 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:08:05 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.


A big difference between the two.
A Kikuyu or any other Kenyan are within their constitutional rights to visit, settle ,own and live anywhere within the lboundaries of Kenya as legal citizen. They don't need any Visa. Trump executive order is to foreigners outside USA from few selected countries well known for exporting terrorism. They need a visa.

so if a constitution says you don't have rights - you don't have them?

secondly... Kindly enlighten us on how many Americans have been killed by citizens of the 7 countries on American Soil? Then find out the descent and nationality of the killers of Americans on American soil and explain why they are not on the list.

Thirdly, So what happens to Christians running away from persecution in Iraq, Libya and Syria? Are they still welcome?
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#243 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:16:40 AM
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George Orwell's '1984' gets a surge in demand in US
https://www.nytimes.com/...l-donald-trump.html?_r=0
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hardwood
#244 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:20:25 AM
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Trump is NOT targeting muslims. He only singled out 7 countries which have been overrun by terrorists like ISIS, houthis, alshabaab, or have in the past been classified as state sponsors as terror by CIA like Iran, Sudan. For countries overrun by terrorists its difficult to screen travelers and some of the fighters/terrorists could slip through to the US.

FYI the countries with the biggest muslim populations are Indonesia, Malaysia, pakistan, India, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, morocco, Algeria, Jordan etc and none has been banned. Note that only 20% of the world's muslims live in arab countries.

Also note that if you are a christian, yazidi, budhist, atheist, animist etc from those 7 banned countries you are still banned from entering the US. So one cant say that Trump has banned muslims. If you are a muslim from e.g. kenya, tanzania, mali, gambia, malaysia, kazakhstan, serbia, lebanon, turkey etc etc you are still welcome in the US.
masukuma
#245 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:24:59 AM
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I invite you to compare the two things below
alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.



masukuma wrote:
I understand the reason you may want to block out large numbers of people from certain communities that are flooding in.



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masukuma
#246 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:27:11 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Trump is NOT targeting muslims. He only singled out 7 countries which have been overrun by terrorists like ISIS, houthis, alshabaab, or have in the past been classified as state sponsors as terror by CIA like Iran, Sudan. For countries overrun by terrorists its difficult to screen travelers and some of the fighters/terrorists could slip through to the US.

FYI the countries with the biggest muslim populations are Indonesia, Malaysia, pakistan, India, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, morocco, Algeria, Jordan etc and none has been banned. Note that only 20% of the world's muslims live in arab countries.

Also note that if you are a christian, yazidi, budhist, atheist, animist etc from those 7 banned countries you are still banned from entering the US. So one cant say that Trump has banned muslims. If you are a muslim from e.g. kenya, tanzania, mali, gambia, malaysia, kazakhstan, serbia, lebanon, turkey etc etc you are still welcome in the US.

Where is Qatar and Saudia on that list?
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hardwood
#247 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:29:06 AM
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Ngalaka
#248 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:34:09 AM
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tycho wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.


A big difference between the two.
A Kikuyu or any other Kenyan are within their constitutional rights to visit, settle ,own and live anywhere within the lboundaries of Kenya as legal citizen. They don't need any Visa. Trump executive order is to foreigners outside USA from few selected countries well known for exporting terrorism. They need a visa.


It's amazing that so many of us are being fooled by Trump and the terrorist rhetoric. But I guess that's our lot as 'mass men'.


Interesting!

Tough immigration policy per se isn't necessarily an evil thing.

Discrimination is evil though.

But what Trump has done is plain wrong!

Lets take the case of people who already have valid visas and resident in the US, or those who have green cards, then happen to or need to travel abroad. Their dilemma should concern all people who believe that injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere!

After getting their legally valid residency status in US, these people adjusted their lives significantly in order to live/settle there - trusting that the instruments they have from the federal govt mean what they ought to mean.

Alas, then Trump happens!!




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alma1
#249 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:37:07 AM
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Hardwood

I'm usually ok with your alternative facts but this one is distasteful.

I don't mind his Trumpians agreeing with it. I have lived with them and they are white trash and uneducated about life...That's their perogative.

However, this conversation where an African can take the side of a white supremacist is just outright distasteful. I'm even puking.

I know of very many young and old Kenyans right now in the US who are scared to death about what's happening.

When a gov't picks out people who are LEGALLY in the US, who have done nothing wrong but work. Then this gov't says that these people are POTENTIAL terrorists, I'm sorry my friend.

That is white supremacy.

I'm sorry for you because I'm 100% certain that even you cannot get that Visa to visit the land of this lunatic.

There is nothing good that can be said about targeting one tribe because your tribe is superior.

Honestly hardwood, let's argue about the border wall.

This one is too close to home.

Even as we speak, some people are afraid of buying land in some areas because they don't have a visa to to areas in this country.

Shocking to see an African write some of the stuff you are writing.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

hardwood
#250 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:37:43 AM
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masukuma wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Trump is NOT targeting muslims. He only singled out 7 countries which have been overrun by terrorists like ISIS, houthis, alshabaab, or have in the past been classified as state sponsors as terror by CIA like Iran, Sudan. For countries overrun by terrorists its difficult to screen travelers and some of the fighters/terrorists could slip through to the US.

FYI the countries with the biggest muslim populations are Indonesia, Malaysia, pakistan, India, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, morocco, Algeria, Jordan etc and none has been banned. Note that only 20% of the world's muslims live in arab countries.

Also note that if you are a christian, yazidi, budhist, atheist, animist etc from those 7 banned countries you are still banned from entering the US. So one cant say that Trump has banned muslims. If you are a muslim from e.g. kenya, tanzania, mali, gambia, malaysia, kazakhstan, serbia, lebanon, turkey etc etc you are still welcome in the US.

Where is Qatar and Saudia on that list?


But they are busy battling houthi terrorists in Yemen. How can they be listed as bad guys?
Ngalaka
#251 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:38:14 AM
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over 70% of terrorists who carried out 911 crimes were from Saudi Arabia.
Osama was Saudi national.
His son who has vowed to avenge his killing is Saudi!

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hardwood
#252 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:47:21 AM
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alma1 wrote:
Hardwood

I'm usually ok with your alternative facts but this one is distasteful.

I don't mind his Trumpians agreeing with it. I have lived with them and they are white trash and uneducated about life...That's their perogative.

However, this conversation where an African can take the side of a white supremacist is just outright distasteful. I'm even puking.

I know of very many young and old Kenyans right now in the US who are scared to death about what's happening.

When a gov't picks out people who are LEGALLY in the US, who have done nothing wrong but work. Then this gov't says that these people are POTENTIAL terrorists, I'm sorry my friend.

That is white supremacy.

I'm sorry for you because I'm 100% certain that even you cannot get that Visa to visit the land of this lunatic.

There is nothing good that can be said about targeting one tribe because your tribe is superior.

Honestly hardwood, let's argue about the border wall.

This one is too close to home.

Even as we speak, some people are afraid of buying land in some areas because they don't have a visa to to areas in this country.

Shocking to see an African write some of the stuff you are writing.


My post #244 above is very clear on this issue and this ban has nothing to do with white or black supremacy, or religion. Also note that no one has stopped you or me or any other Kenyan to go to the US. So don't mix issues.
hardwood
#253 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:50:49 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
over 70% of terrorists who carried out 911 crimes were from Saudi Arabia.
Osama was Saudi national.
His son who has vowed to avenge his killing is Saudi!



Have they been overrun by ISIS, alshabaab, houthis etc like the 7 banned countries?
Anti_Burglar
#254 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:54:32 AM
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John McCain is not level headed. If he was those now saying he is level headed would have supported his candidature against Barrack Obama - they did not.

Glad Tokyo is around. We need more free thinkers around here.

People are 'against walls' yet have walls around their house - there is need to keep out certain verminous peoples.

People are now worried about refugees in the 7 countries yet they cheered when the previous administration brought eternal ruin to those countries. Directly bombing them or giving arms to power usurpers.

No one is talking about Saudi Arabia, the #1 state sponsor of Wahabbi Islam the most virulent and blood thirsty of all Islam versions, as they continue with genocide in Yemen.

People are getting teary eyed over Mo farah misguided sentiment forgetting that Britain and has all along enjoyed 'special status' with America. Same with all other 'special allies' with whom illegal wars and genocide have been fought - see Saudi Arabia.
alma1
#255 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 9:55:47 AM
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hardwood wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Hardwood

I'm usually ok with your alternative facts but this one is distasteful.

I don't mind his Trumpians agreeing with it. I have lived with them and they are white trash and uneducated about life...That's their perogative.

However, this conversation where an African can take the side of a white supremacist is just outright distasteful. I'm even puking.

I know of very many young and old Kenyans right now in the US who are scared to death about what's happening.

When a gov't picks out people who are LEGALLY in the US, who have done nothing wrong but work. Then this gov't says that these people are POTENTIAL terrorists, I'm sorry my friend.

That is white supremacy.

I'm sorry for you because I'm 100% certain that even you cannot get that Visa to visit the land of this lunatic.

There is nothing good that can be said about targeting one tribe because your tribe is superior.

Honestly hardwood, let's argue about the border wall.

This one is too close to home.

Even as we speak, some people are afraid of buying land in some areas because they don't have a visa to to areas in this country.

Shocking to see an African write some of the stuff you are writing.


My post #244 above is very clear on this issue and has nothing to do with white or black supremacy, or religion. Also note that no one has stopped you or me or any other Kenyan to go to the US. So don't mix issues.


You are here giving talking points for this white supremacist. Sorry

Other issues yes.

Ukabila apana

This is your own friend Juliani confessing


Quote:
"I’ll tell you the whole history of it: When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban,'" Giuliani said on Fox News.

"He called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’"



Yet here you are supporting this religious policy. Hambuglar must be very excited about this.

You can vet, have more restrictions on immigration. That is his duty as president.

But don't try and mix issues either...Right now people with American green cards are being told they cannot go to see their children and being sent back to the countries they ran away from in the first place.


You can't sugar coat a tribalist...You can't...It's like saying guru is a christian.

Even ISIS has this policy that if you don't like them and you don't follow their behavior they will deny you a visa...
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

Ngalaka
#256 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:00:17 AM
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When 911 happened, Saudia had not been overun by ISIS, Al shabab or Houthis.

Despite that, they comprised the vast (YUGE) majority of the terrorist hitting US on US soil
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hardwood
#257 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:03:21 AM
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Trump needs all the help he can get....As he has said time and again...."we don't know who is coming in or who they are or where they are coming from".
Ngalaka
#258 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:08:51 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
John McCain is not level headed. If he was those now saying he is level headed would have supported his candidature against Barrack Obama - they did not.

Glad Tokyo is around. We need more free thinkers around here.

People are 'against walls' yet have walls around their house - there is need to keep out certain verminous peoples.

People are now worried about refugees in the 7 countries yet they cheered when the previous administration brought eternal ruin to those countries. Directly bombing them or giving arms to power usurpers.

No one is talking about Saudi Arabia, the #1 state sponsor of Wahabbi Islam the most virulent and blood thirsty of all Islam versions, as they continue with genocide in Yemen.

People are getting teary eyed over Mo farah misguided sentiment forgetting that Britain and has all along enjoyed 'special status' with America. Same with all other 'special allies' with whom illegal wars and genocide have been fought - see Saudi Arabia.

Throwing your brother under the bus!
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hardwood
#259 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:19:36 AM
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Trump doesn't want the US to go the "Europe way".

https://www.gatestoneins...3/germany-migrants-rape

Quote:
Sexual violence in Germany has reached epidemic proportions since Chancellor Angela Merkel allowed into the country more than one million mostly male migrants from the Middle East.

Gatestone Institute first reported Germany's migrant rape crisis in September 2015, when Merkel opened up the German border to tens of thousands of migrants stranded in Hungary. A follow-up report was published in March 2016, in the aftermath of mass attacks against German women by mobs of migrants in Cologne, Hamburg and other German cities.

Germany's migrant rape crisis has now spread to cities and towns in all 16 of Germany's federal states. Germany is effectively under siege; public spaces are becoming increasingly perilous. Police have warned about a potential breakdown of public order this summer, when young male migrants are likely to see women lightly dressed.

During the month of July 2016, hundreds of German women and children were sexually assaulted by migrants (see Appendix below). The youngest victim was nine; the oldest, 79. Attacks occurred at beaches, bike trails, cemeteries, discotheques, grocery stores, music festivals, parking garages, playgrounds, schools, shopping malls, taxis, public transportation (buses, trams, intercity express trains and subways), public parks, public squares, public swimming pools and public restrooms. Predators are lurking everywhere; safety nowhere.

Dozens of women and children have been assaulted by migrants at summer festivals and public swimming pools — staples of ordinary German life.
hardwood
#260 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 10:23:34 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
John McCain is not level headed. If he was those now saying he is level headed would have supported his candidature against Barrack Obama - they did not.

Glad Tokyo is around. We need more free thinkers around here.

People are 'against walls' yet have walls around their house - there is need to keep out certain verminous peoples.

People are now worried about refugees in the 7 countries yet they cheered when the previous administration brought eternal ruin to those countries. Directly bombing them or giving arms to power usurpers.

No one is talking about Saudi Arabia, the #1 state sponsor of Wahabbi Islam the most virulent and blood thirsty of all Islam versions, as they continue with genocide in Yemen.

People are getting teary eyed over Mo farah misguided sentiment forgetting that Britain and has all along enjoyed 'special status' with America. Same with all other 'special allies' with whom illegal wars and genocide have been fought - see Saudi Arabia.

Throwing your brother under the bus!


Supporting a certain version of islam is not the same as supporting terror.
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