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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Not sure this had not been uploaded somewhere  Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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This is terrible...making Ksh88mn out of Ksh9.7Bn....eish haikona! Management needs to put a knife into those administration, selling, distribution and finance costs...something doesnt up...good takeover candidate....takeover trim thise admin costs..change business model I.e Ecommerce can help reduce distribution costs....but I also think someone could be running this company down!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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the deal wrote:This is terrible...making Ksh88mn out of Ksh9.7Bn....eish haikona! Management needs to put a knife into those administration, selling, distribution and finance costs...something doesnt up...good takeover candidate....takeover trim thise admin costs..change business model I.e Ecommerce can help reduce distribution costs....but I also think someone could be running this company down! Pesa name na CNG nikama @obiero na kq. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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If we discount for fair value gains on investment properties the company has posted loses two years in a row. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your lifeβs energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,349 Location: Nairobi
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C&G is now a "property" firm with a trading arm that pays the bills! I like the management but it's a TOUGH business to be in. - Lots of competition with some shady characters who are "connected" [tax evasion] - Construction is in trouble. Chinese contractors bring in their own equipment and don't need suppliers. Large local contractors [roads, etc] are broke [GoK isn't paying] if not dead. - Competition from Chinese brands eg motorbikes The admin costs are very, very high. Not sure what they consist of. They have technical workshops that require lots of personnel. Perhaps that is part of the reason. The margins seem quite low since they have to compete with Kirinyaga Rd and jua kali guys. I wonder how a "franchise" model would work for them? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:C&G is now a "property" firm with a trading arm that pays the bills!
I like the management but it's a TOUGH business to be in. - Lots of competition with some shady characters who are "connected" [tax evasion] - Construction is in trouble. Chinese contractors bring in their own equipment and don't need suppliers. Large local contractors [roads, etc] are broke [GoK isn't paying] if not dead. - Competition from Chinese brands eg motorbikes
The admin costs are very, very high. Not sure what they consist of. They have technical workshops that require lots of personnel. Perhaps that is part of the reason. The margins seem quite low since they have to compete with Kirinyaga Rd and jua kali guys.
I wonder how a "franchise" model would work for them?  These two dogs were born around the same size. If you saw them as puppies, you would think both would grow up to the same size. However the Great Dane grew into a mighty big dog and the Chihuahua grew into a mighty cute dog. C&G is a cute Chihuahua that lacks competitive advantages to grow into a big dog. @vvs you and I like big dogs. In the past we have both bought Chihuahuas thinking they would turn out into Great Danes, only to be disappointed. Thought I should remind you, before you go buy another Chihuahua Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2008 Posts: 112
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To me it appears a lack of focus and structure - they're involved in poultry, motorbikes (TVS which struggles against Bajaj and the host of Chinese bikes), tuk tuks, Kubota tractors, right up to Cummins gensets and Doosan (South Korean) earth-moving machinery (all exhibited in or around one show-room).
They've been unable to crack the Kshs. 10bn in revenue that they've been targeting for the last three years or so - my view is that Gidoomal et al are in a comfort zone (a bit like the old CMC - which incidentally they tried a hostile takeover bid in the late '90's.)
Maybe it's time they had another review and spun off or retired parts of the business (as they did with the Alfa Romeo franchise a few years ago) and paid down some of the debt. The interest rate cap should help them a little this FY, but the down-turn in construction and the economy in general won't (unless they can convince Jubilee/Cord to buy like 50,000 TVS's or tuk tuks for campaign - lol). They import everything that they sell - so dollar strength/shilling weakness will work against them.
My MBWA benchmarking reveals that there is a host of 'small' engineering supplies companies located in Industrial Area selling various power tools, gensets, compressors, concrete mixers, water pumps and the like (mostly sourced from India or southern Europe) - selling, distribution and admin costs from what I can ascertain are minimal - and their customers range from the 'jua kali' operators to large building construction outfits. They're eating CNG's lunch and more...As @VVS says this is now a 'property' firm, and the rest of the business finances Giddomal's travels to the rest of the world buying stuff for which there is not much effective demand in Kenya...If I was him, I would sell everything (including the properties), pay off the debt and 'invest' the rest in fixed income or other securities - much as what City Trust did many, many years ago when the brewing industry went into a decline... my two kenyan shillings for whatever they're worth...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,222 Location: nairobi
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Elephant Man wrote:To me it appears a lack of focus and structure - they're involved in poultry, motorbikes (TVS which struggles against Bajaj and the host of Chinese bikes), tuk tuks, Kubota tractors, right up to Cummins gensets and Doosan (South Korean) earth-moving machinery (all exhibited in or around one show-room).
They've been unable to crack the Kshs. 10bn in revenue that they've been targeting for the last three years or so - my view is that Gidoomal et al are in a comfort zone (a bit like the old CMC - which incidentally they tried a hostile takeover bid in the late '90's.)
Maybe it's time they had another review and spun off or retired parts of the business (as they did with the Alfa Romeo franchise a few years ago) and paid down some of the debt. The interest rate cap should help them a little this FY, but the down-turn in construction and the economy in general won't (unless they can convince Jubilee/Cord to buy like 50,000 TVS's or tuk tuks for campaign - lol). They import everything that they sell - so dollar strength/shilling weakness will work against them.
My MBWA benchmarking reveals that there is a host of 'small' engineering supplies companies located in Industrial Area selling various power tools, gensets, compressors, concrete mixers, water pumps and the like (mostly sourced from India or southern Europe) - selling, distribution and admin costs from what I can ascertain are minimal - and their customers range from the 'jua kali' operators to large building construction outfits. They're eating CNG's lunch and more...As @VVS says this is now a 'property' firm, and the rest of the business finances Giddomal's travels to the rest of the world buying stuff for which there is not much effective demand in Kenya...If I was him, I would sell everything (including the properties), pay off the debt and 'invest' the rest in fixed income or other securities - much as what City Trust did many, many years ago when the brewing industry went into a decline... my two kenyan shillings for whatever they're worth... @elephantman I had missed you KQ ABP 4.26
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/24/2008 Posts: 112
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@obiero - niko ndugu... just trying to make an honest buck, not looking for any awards! According to me, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter whether you're a buy and hold 'long-term' investor, speculative trader, fundamentalist, technical analyst, elliot waver - to each his own, so long as your needs are met - after all its only through my own personal efforts and investment decisions that I can put unga on my table!
Wishing you and all blue section wazuans a prosperous 2017 - in my view there's prospects for what some directors in listed companies sometimes refer to as 'satisfactory returns' to be made this year and next...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,349 Location: Nairobi
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:C&G is now a "property" firm with a trading arm that pays the bills!
I like the management but it's a TOUGH business to be in. - Lots of competition with some shady characters who are "connected" [tax evasion] - Construction is in trouble. Chinese contractors bring in their own equipment and don't need suppliers. Large local contractors [roads, etc] are broke [GoK isn't paying] if not dead. - Competition from Chinese brands eg motorbikes
The admin costs are very, very high. Not sure what they consist of. They have technical workshops that require lots of personnel. Perhaps that is part of the reason. The margins seem quite low since they have to compete with Kirinyaga Rd and jua kali guys.
I wonder how a "franchise" model would work for them?  These two dogs were born around the same size. If you saw them as puppies, you would think both would grow up to the same size. However the Great Dane grew into a mighty big dog and the Chihuahua grew into a mighty cute dog. C&G is a cute Chihuahua that lacks competitive advantages to grow into a big dog. @vvs you and I like big dogs. In the past we have both bought Chihuahuas thinking they would turn out into Great Danes, only to be disappointed. Thought I should remind you, before you go buy another Chihuahua πππ I wish I had opened this in the morning. You made my Sunday evening!!! That's a great analogy. I have some CNG shares but I will not buy more any time soon. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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