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aemathenge
#131 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:04:58 PM
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sheri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
ID Numbers are NOT UNIQUE!

@ Masukuma I think they should be

but in our case they are not.

And because they are not unique, they cannot be used as a unique identifier by the IEBC during election.

There is a possibility the IEBC was aware of this and that why biometric identification through finger prints and facial recognition is necessary.

Technology is just an enabler.

It Is a means to an end, not an end in itself



Hear, hear.
masukuma
#132 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:17:10 PM
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sheri wrote:
masukuma wrote:
checking duplicates is kids stuff... mna sahau where the problem is coz you are focusing on the technology! ID Numbers are NOT UNIQUE!

@ Masukuma I think they should be but in our case they are not. And because they are not unique, they cannot be used as a unique identifier by the IEBC during election. There is a possibility the IEBC was aware of this and that why biometric identification through finger prints and facial recognition is necessary.

Technology is just an enabler. It Is a means to an end, not an end in itself



anyone with large enough a dataset knows... ECK knew, IIEC knew, IEBC knew in 2012. it's not a new thing at all!! in 2012!! we had a thread here on the same matter

Lolest! wrote:
@makales, 2 people with the same ID No? That is scary!!


Money Whisperer wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
@makales, 2 people with the same ID No? That is scary!!

yap and the system rejects you.



King G wrote:
But IEBC should come out clean and tell us what happens next if the duplication of ID thing happens bacuase that is not the problem of the potential voter.

then again the idea of same id nos looks far fetched!


Lolest! wrote:
Money Whisperer wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
@makales, 2 people with the same ID No? That is scary!!

yap and the system rejects you.

There is more to be scared about than being denied the right to vote. Like the holder of a similar no. to mine committing a serious crime and Im arrested for it!


We all 'think' it's supposed to be...UNIQUE.. but my question is WHY DO WE THINK THIS WAY? @mahegoat... this is the same reasoning we have about voter registration acknowledgement slips and their 'inherent' meaning. We sit.. lie to each other that something is supposed to work in a certain way and has a certain meaning. we start acting as we have discussed and lied to ourselves and later we get a rude shock!
The only person who should tell you that the ID Number is UNIQUE is the person who issues it... not your mom..not your brother. not your pastor <-- even if all of these agree... talk to the person who issues the card uambiwe!!

Sio nyinyi peke yenu... tulikuwa mahali pia they had a similar problem - Audit reveals 2016 voters register has over 130,000 double voters, several anomalies
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
aemathenge
#133 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:33:40 PM
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aawwooiii

Here we go again.
masukuma
#134 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:53:32 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
aawwooiii

Here we go again.

yes... just because you and others decide that something is 'real' does not make it real!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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aemathenge
#135 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:55:01 PM
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..... how good are the bio-whatever in Kenia?

Can they be fooled by twins?

My fishing expedition has produced nothing yet.

Other than this:

Link
masukuma
#136 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:32:55 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
..... how good are the bio-whatever in Kenia?

Can they be fooled by twins?

My fishing expedition has produced nothing yet.

Other than this:

Link

Comps people know of GUIDs or UUIDs (globally Unique Identifiers, Universally Unique Identifiers) and most comps people would consider them UNIQUE... i mean it's in the name right? there should be no collision! but nope.. the number of random UUIDs which need to be generated in order to have a 50% probability of at least one collision is 2.71 quintillion!
they say the more you know - the more uncertain you become that a pure solution exists for a certain problem set. it means that the more certain of something you are - the more the probability that you know very little! Vendors of Biometric solutions will not sell you a solution that is rubber-stamped as being 100% error free. They are not stupid. they work towards reducing the error rates! So the perfection of a system asymptotically nears 100% but never gets there! Even dettol tries to tell you 99.9% of all KNOWN germs. There are all these qualifiers that people with knowledge use all over the place. people without knowledge are the ones that have no exceptions or qualifiers coz they have very limited knowledge.... so back to my point! for twins... the system does not care about how your faces look like the pattern of your minutiae is everything... heck you may have similar minutiae with someone who is not on your continent! they are random patterns that are FAIRLY UNIQUE!
is it POSSIBLE that twins will submit fingerprints that when extracted give the exact same minutiae - yes! is it PROBABLE - NO!! Possibility and Probability are not the same thing.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#137 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:38:14 PM
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and let's assume that possibility regardless of how remote occurs.. what are the chances of it being widespread (legitimately out of random luck) for it to change the "will of the people"?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
sheri
#138 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:58:29 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
..... how good are the bio-whatever in Kenia?

Can they be fooled by twins?

My fishing expedition has produced nothing yet.

Other than this:

Link

@aemathenge no system is error free/proof. But there is always a margin of error either + or - in efficeincy
Njung'e
#139 Posted : Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:09:01 PM
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