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Ryko
#511 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:57:48 PM
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maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
[quote=Ryko]this calculation looks great.
Someone kindly share with me a link or a guide on how i can apply for the above bond(the procedure), can it be done online or i must go to Central Bank.Got some idle cash and this looks worth

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/securities/[/quote]



Thanks Taurrus, i appreciate tomorrow heading to the CBK to make my application. I have been in the money market wave looks gloomy i am switching to Bonds.

I have one final question, if anyone would mind explaining i will appreciate.

Scenario: Assuming i apply for a 3M Bond (5 years) after 4 years i wish to get all my money back. Will i loose any intrest?? what do i stand to loose if i redeem halfway?. I sincerely did not understand the secondary market bit.


The one year you held the bond you will receive interest payment semi annually...when you want to sell it you do so at the secondary market where yields are determined by the current interest rate environment...plus its a negotiation between different dealers in the market..3M will be considered an odd lot and you might be nyolewad quite a bit on selling.



@Maka 5 years is damn looonngg, i might just land a Nairobian "wow-man" and in 11 months she might tell me she has my triplets yet nilizika saving ya 3M Sad Sad

1. There are bonds i see written 20 years but redeemable every 5 years, does it mean i can invest in that and get all my cash out after 5 years without the secondary stuff?

2. For any experienced Wazuan: I have noted once you bids for the bond you have to waits for results. (a rough calculation if you bid for 3M what is the likely amount CBK can accept? ). Just a rough estimate

Finally, I think the 2 years option is the best so far, 5 years is for cash that one will never need. Its best to assume that cash disappeared. Secondary market is a "No" go zone. With this precaution in my head i think i dip my legs in.


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maka
#512 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 4:58:17 PM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Ryko wrote:
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
[quote=Ryko]this calculation looks great.
Someone kindly share with me a link or a guide on how i can apply for the above bond(the procedure), can it be done online or i must go to Central Bank.Got some idle cash and this looks worth

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/securities/[/quote]



Thanks Taurrus, i appreciate tomorrow heading to the CBK to make my application. I have been in the money market wave looks gloomy i am switching to Bonds.

I have one final question, if anyone would mind explaining i will appreciate.

Scenario: Assuming i apply for a 3M Bond (5 years) after 4 years i wish to get all my money back. Will i loose any intrest?? what do i stand to loose if i redeem halfway?. I sincerely did not understand the secondary market bit.


The one year you held the bond you will receive interest payment semi annually...when you want to sell it you do so at the secondary market where yields are determined by the current interest rate environment...plus its a negotiation between different dealers in the market..3M will be considered an odd lot and you might be nyolewad quite a bit on selling.



@Maka 5 years is damn looonngg, i might just land a Nairobian "wow-man" and in 11 months she might tell me she has my triplets yet nilizika saving ya 3M Sad Sad

1. There are bonds i see written 20 years but redeemable every 5 years, does it mean i can invest in that and get all my cash out after 5 years without the secondary stuff?

2. For any experienced Wazuan: I have noted once you bids for the bond you have to waits for results. (a rough calculation if you bid for 3M what is the likely amount CBK can accept? ). Just a rough estimate

Finally, I think the 2 years option is the best so far, 5 years is for cash that one will never need. Its best to assume that cash disappeared. Secondary market is a "No" go zone. With this precaution in my head i think i dip my legs in.



If you want you can buy the bond leo and sell it kesho...i have traded the 30 year bond numerous times so you dont hv to necessarily hold it for a few months or years as long as you get a proper exit you offload...
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Impunity
#513 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:01:18 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
[quote=Ryko]this calculation looks great.
Someone kindly share with me a link or a guide on how i can apply for the above bond(the procedure), can it be done online or i must go to Central Bank.Got some idle cash and this looks worth

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/securities/[/quote]



Thanks Taurrus, i appreciate tomorrow heading to the CBK to make my application. I have been in the money market wave looks gloomy i am switching to Bonds.

I have one final question, if anyone would mind explaining i will appreciate.

Scenario: Assuming i apply for a 3M Bond (5 years) after 4 years i wish to get all my money back. Will i loose any intrest?? what do i stand to loose if i redeem halfway?. I sincerely did not understand the secondary market bit.


The one year you held the bond you will receive interest payment semi annually...when you want to sell it you do so at the secondary market where yields are determined by the current interest rate environment...plus its a negotiation between different dealers in the market..3M will be considered an odd lot and you might be nyolewad quite a bit on selling.


@maka what amount is considered EVEN odd?

What %age of kinyozi will he expect of 3M? Can we say the kinyozi could be 5% of 3M or even 20% of 3M?

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Impunity
#514 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:10:44 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
[quote=Ryko]this calculation looks great.
Someone kindly share with me a link or a guide on how i can apply for the above bond(the procedure), can it be done online or i must go to Central Bank.Got some idle cash and this looks worth

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/securities/[/quote]



Thanks Taurrus, i appreciate tomorrow heading to the CBK to make my application. I have been in the money market wave looks gloomy i am switching to Bonds.

I have one final question, if anyone would mind explaining i will appreciate.

Scenario: Assuming i apply for a 3M Bond (5 years) after 4 years i wish to get all my money back. Will i loose any intrest?? what do i stand to loose if i redeem halfway?. I sincerely did not understand the secondary market bit.


The one year you held the bond you will receive interest payment semi annually...when you want to sell it you do so at the secondary market where yields are determined by the current interest rate environment...plus its a negotiation between different dealers in the market..3M will be considered an odd lot and you might be nyolewad quite a bit on selling.



@Maka 5 years is damn looonngg, i might just land a Nairobian "wow-man" and in 11 months she might tell me she has my triplets yet nilizika saving ya 3M Sad Sad

1. There are bonds i see written 20 years but redeemable every 5 years, does it mean i can invest in that and get all my cash out after 5 years without the secondary stuff?

2. For any experienced Wazuan: I have noted once you bids for the bond you have to waits for results. (a rough calculation if you bid for 3M what is the likely amount CBK can accept? ). Just a rough estimate

Finally, I think the 2 years option is the best so far, 5 years is for cash that one will never need. Its best to assume that cash disappeared. Secondary market is a "No" go zone. With this precaution in my head i think i dip my legs in.



If you want you can buy the bond leo and sell it kesho...i have traded the 30 year bond numerous times so you dont hv to necessarily hold it for a few months or years as long as you get a proper exit you offload...


Do you need to own quite a chunk of "EVEN" odd in the region of 100M (Kabura) in order to avoid the heavy kinyozi while trading the 30 YR Bond?

I doubt if a 3M guy can trade a 30 year Bond and come out smiling the following day.
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maka
#515 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 6:41:23 PM
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Impunity wrote:
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
maka wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
[quote=Ryko]this calculation looks great.
Someone kindly share with me a link or a guide on how i can apply for the above bond(the procedure), can it be done online or i must go to Central Bank.Got some idle cash and this looks worth

https://www.centralbank.go.ke/securities/[/quote]



Thanks Taurrus, i appreciate tomorrow heading to the CBK to make my application. I have been in the money market wave looks gloomy i am switching to Bonds.

I have one final question, if anyone would mind explaining i will appreciate.

Scenario: Assuming i apply for a 3M Bond (5 years) after 4 years i wish to get all my money back. Will i loose any intrest?? what do i stand to loose if i redeem halfway?. I sincerely did not understand the secondary market bit.


The one year you held the bond you will receive interest payment semi annually...when you want to sell it you do so at the secondary market where yields are determined by the current interest rate environment...plus its a negotiation between different dealers in the market..3M will be considered an odd lot and you might be nyolewad quite a bit on selling.



@Maka 5 years is damn looonngg, i might just land a Nairobian "wow-man" and in 11 months she might tell me she has my triplets yet nilizika saving ya 3M Sad Sad

1. There are bonds i see written 20 years but redeemable every 5 years, does it mean i can invest in that and get all my cash out after 5 years without the secondary stuff?

2. For any experienced Wazuan: I have noted once you bids for the bond you have to waits for results. (a rough calculation if you bid for 3M what is the likely amount CBK can accept? ). Just a rough estimate

Finally, I think the 2 years option is the best so far, 5 years is for cash that one will never need. Its best to assume that cash disappeared. Secondary market is a "No" go zone. With this precaution in my head i think i dip my legs in.



If you want you can buy the bond leo and sell it kesho...i have traded the 30 year bond numerous times so you dont hv to necessarily hold it for a few months or years as long as you get a proper exit you offload...


Do you need to own quite a chunk of "EVEN" odd in the region of 100M (Kabura) in order to avoid the heavy kinyozi while trading the 30 YR Bond?

I doubt if a 3M guy can trade a 30 year Bond and come out smiling the following day.



you can i have done it a couple of times...look at last weeks price list (not mine) but there was an SDB that was bought at 16%...Seller must have been desperate remembered he had a bond sold it at whatever rate the broker gave him/her...
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maka
#516 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:12:40 PM
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This months bond auction cancelled...
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maka
#517 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:25:26 PM
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maka wrote:
This months bond auction cancelled...


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Ebenyo
#518 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:53:31 PM
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Location: Kitale
maka wrote:
This months bond auction cancelled...


what happened? i called cbk this evening and was
told to come tomorrow.
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maka
#519 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:55:16 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Ebenyo wrote:
maka wrote:
This months bond auction cancelled...


what happened? i called cbk this evening and was
told to come tomorrow.


Guess bids were high...14-15 levels...too expensive for gava to lend at those rates.They arent thaaaaaat desperate for cash.
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Ebenyo
#520 Posted : Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:03:03 PM
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maka wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
maka wrote:
This months bond auction cancelled...


what happened? i called cbk this evening and was
told to come tomorrow.


Guess bids were high...14-15 levels...too expensive for gava to lend at those rates.They arent thaaaaaat desperate for cash.


so mpaka next month tena?
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