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Dahatre
#161 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:42:18 PM
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Don't get me wrong...I am not blaming the private sector. I am as good a capitalist as the next guy. However, to have no safety net in a country where a high proportion of people cannot afford health care costs is courting disaster.

If we had a government thinking government(or an opposition worth anything), we would be looking for ways to strengthen universal health care even as we privatize aspects of it. Strong economies like Germany have socialized medicine and it is relatively small portion of their GDP.
chemirocha wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
Aaaand the privatization efforts continue...with everyone chasing the Kenyan middle class

But first we must kill any semblance of public health care for all.

Link


As a country we are being held at ransom by civil servants courtesy of government incompetence.

Its not a conspiracy for a private entity to see an opportunity to make some money.
aemathenge
#162 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:52:03 PM
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Location: Kerugoya
...... while....
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MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


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murchr
#163 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 5:45:18 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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2012
#164 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 8:59:03 AM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
murchr wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours


That's how senior GOK doctors operate as well. Most of the other 'doctors' you meet in GOK hospitals and GOK referral hospitals are students in Medical school, some in their first years, others doing their masters and phd. Their lectures who are senior doctors will do rounds with them once in a while. That's why you'll never see the older doctors in the streets

BBI will solve it
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masukuma
#165 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 9:06:14 AM
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Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
murchr wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours

remind me again...hawa hufanya kazi gani?
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Swenani
#166 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 9:28:19 AM
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Joined: 8/15/2013
Posts: 13,237
Location: Vacuum
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours

remind me again...hawa hufanya kazi gani?


They work on your laps aka lap dancers
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alma1
#167 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 9:53:05 AM
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Location: hapo
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours


That's how senior GOK doctors operate as well. Most of the other 'doctors' you meet in GOK hospitals and GOK referral hospitals are students in Medical school, some in their first years, others doing their masters and phd. Their lectures who are senior doctors will do rounds with them once in a while. That's why you'll never see the older doctors in the streets



This is the point where an English lesson is important

Employee

em·ploy·ee
emˈploiē,emˌploiˈē/
noun
a person employed for wages or salary, especially at nonexecutive level.
synonyms: worker, working man/woman, member of staff, staffer; More

noun
plural noun: consultants
1.
a person who provides expert advice professionally.
synonyms: adviser, expert, specialist, authority, pundit
"she freelanced as a communications consultant"
2.
BRITISH
a hospital doctor of senior rank within a specific field.


This argument is taking us back towards English 101

Not every doctor can be a consultant. So that you pay them for their expert advise and only when they show up. In fact, if you take that route please tell me one consultant you know who's paid cheaper than an employee.

If the gov't can't afford to pay wages for employees, please explain how they pay consultant fees? Assuming in this scenario every doctor in Kenya is hired as a consultant....Pole pole tafadhali so that I can understand.
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murchr
#168 Posted : Saturday, January 21, 2017 6:11:10 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
alma1 wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
aemathenge wrote:
...... while....
Quote:
MP Shah Hospital is set to employ 200 more medical staff with the construction of a Sh800 million complex in Nairobi by December to meet growing healthcare needs.


Link:


85-90% of those will be nurses, clinical officers, lap technicians and subordinate staff. Most docs operating in private hospitals are not in full time employment they work as consultants depending on their specialties. And that's how the GOK docs should be, only show up for an hour or 2 and leave, unless you are in the ER. Docs need to punch in time in/out so that overtime can be paid only to those who work long hours


That's how senior GOK doctors operate as well. Most of the other 'doctors' you meet in GOK hospitals and GOK referral hospitals are students in Medical school, some in their first years, others doing their masters and phd. Their lectures who are senior doctors will do rounds with them once in a while. That's why you'll never see the older doctors in the streets



This is the point where an English lesson is important

Employee

em·ploy·ee
emˈploiē,emˌploiˈē/
noun
a person employed for wages or salary, especially at nonexecutive level.
synonyms: worker, working man/woman, member of staff, staffer; More

noun
plural noun: consultants
1.
a person who provides expert advice professionally.
synonyms: adviser, expert, specialist, authority, pundit
"she freelanced as a communications consultant"
2.
BRITISH
a hospital doctor of senior rank within a specific field.


This argument is taking us back towards English 101

Not every doctor can be a consultant. So that you pay them for their expert advise and only when they show up. In fact, if you take that route please tell me one consultant you know who's paid cheaper than an employee.

If the gov't can't afford to pay wages for employees, please explain how they pay consultant fees? Assuming in this scenario every doctor in Kenya is hired as a consultant....Pole pole tafadhali so that I can understand.


@Alma loose the dictionary. A general ward (the one that caters for kawa patients like lets say those sick with Malaria, would need/require about 3 docs each working on 8hr shifts unless there's an emergency. The majority of the work in hospitals is done by clinical officers and nurses, the clinical officer is the person who sees you first and refers you to either a certain doc or to the lapb technician for testing. Docs work in rounds - they read the charts noted by COs and nurses and then decide if the patient will continue to stay or can take can go home and become an out patient.

Now incases of an emergency or epidemic all docs get in and are on call, now in such cases they should be paid overtime. That is when their hours are not fixed. There are days that some docs see less than 5 people in a week. Clocking in and out is important, so that docs working in those hospitals where there's too much of work can be well compensated.

I am particularly not for the idea that all docs should be paid the same. They need to put in time for their pay. Those jungu docs you see volunteering are here are putting in time while doing research.

Another thing, govt should stop subsidizing medical degrees. Let them take up student loans and pay up after employment after all, its guaranteed.



"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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obiero
#169 Posted : Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:28:07 AM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,213
Location: nairobi
Serikali has seriously let down Kenyans on this issue

KQ ABP 4.26
Coolbull
#170 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:13:56 PM
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Joined: 10/23/2007
Posts: 604
The government is busy campaigning while doctors are busy running their private clinics. Truly, to be poor is a crime.
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