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hardwood
#1511 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:28:25 PM
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Trump attacks German leader. French president responds and tells Trump to shut up. Interesting times ahead.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38644030



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chemirocha
#1512 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:22:50 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Trump attacks German leader. French president responds and tells Trump to shut up. Interesting times ahead.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38644030



Trump's game plan is so erratic I sometimes wonder if the fellow will even survive one term in office.
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Dahatre
#1513 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:29:02 PM
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I keep thinking that he is a kiziba macho- to keep us following his antics while the real king-makers make the changes they need to destroy American social safety nets (medicare, social security etc.).
chemirocha wrote:


Trump's game plan is so erratic I sometimes wonder if the fellow will even survive one term in office.
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chemirocha
#1514 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:29:39 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
I keep thinking that he is a kiziba macho- to keep us following his antics while the real king-makers make the changes they need to destroy American social safety nets (medicare, social security etc.).
chemirocha wrote:


Trump's game plan is so erratic I sometimes wonder if the fellow will even survive one term in office.


Agreed. The antics are meant as a distraction from the real issues.
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Ngalaka
#1515 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:00:18 AM
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#Credibility of Assange - Wikileaks!; - Expected to agree to extradition to USA
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President Barack Obama's decision Tuesday to commute Chelsea Manning's sentence brought fresh attention to another figure involved in the Army leaker's case: Julian Assange.

On Twitter last week, Assange's anti-secrecy site WikiLeaks posted, "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case."

Obama's move will test the promise. The president commuted Manning's 35-year sentence, freeing her in May, nearly three decades early. Manning has acknowledged leaking a trove of diplomatic cables and national security documents to WikiLeaks in 2010.
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AlphDoti
#1516 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:48:57 AM
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chemirocha wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
I keep thinking that he is a kiziba macho- to keep us following his antics while the real king-makers make the changes they need to destroy American social safety nets (medicare, social security etc.).
chemirocha wrote:


Trump's game plan is so erratic I sometimes wonder if the fellow will even survive one term in office.

Agreed. The antics are meant as a distraction from the real issues.

I agree with you @dahatre and @chemirocha... Surely, these people are not stupid! But they can really fool others... So this is more than we can see...
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Ngalaka
#1517 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:16:34 PM
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Who is fooling who!

Putin may only draw some minimal benefit by having a white house that will be a tad bit soft, but I don’t see Russia having that much leverage in the US.
It is worthy of note that Trump cabinet nominees such as General James Mattis is firmly sceptical of Putin, and will be advising Trump on how to check-mate him.

It is almost a given that the US congress is also going to be playing hard ball with regard to Putin, regardless of what Trump may feel.

The Senate with Republicans such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio will be pushing for anti Putin stance.

So, there is likely to be clash of policy view-points right inside Trump’s cabinet meetings, while congress will be exerting pressure of its own as well as blocking any such moves by White house.

The long and short of it, it’s going to be an uphill task for Trump to entertain Putin, much less give him a free reign to influence stuff in the US.
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Anti_Burglar
#1518 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:02:57 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
#Credibility of Assange - Wikileaks!; - Expected to agree to extradition to USA
Quote:
President Barack Obama's decision Tuesday to commute Chelsea Manning's sentence brought fresh attention to another figure involved in the Army leaker's case: Julian Assange.

On Twitter last week, Assange's anti-secrecy site WikiLeaks posted, "If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case."

Obama's move will test the promise. The president commuted Manning's 35-year sentence, freeing her in May, nearly three decades early. Manning has acknowledged leaking a trove of diplomatic cables and national security documents to WikiLeaks in 2010.



Will not change anything if he still does not agree to go. The alternative view got their desire, they should not care what the establishment feels. Why should they?
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Anti_Burglar
#1519 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:05:24 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Who is fooling who!

Putin may only draw some minimal benefit by having a white house that will be a tad bit soft, but I don’t see Russia having that much leverage in the US.
It is worthy of note that Trump cabinet nominees such as General James Mattis is firmly sceptical of Putin, and will be advising Trump on how to check-mate him.

It is almost a given that the US congress is also going to be playing hard ball with regard to Putin, regardless of what Trump may feel.

The Senate with Republicans such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio will be pushing for anti Putin stance.

So, there is likely to be clash of policy view-points right inside Trump’s cabinet meetings, while congress will be exerting pressure of its own as well as blocking any such moves by White house.

The long and short of it, it’s going to be an uphill task for Trump to entertain Putin, much less give him a free reign to influence stuff in the US.


Of course, there is water-tight, iron-clad evidence?
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chemirocha
#1520 Posted : Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:24:33 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Who is fooling who!

Putin may only draw some minimal benefit by having a white house that will be a tad bit soft, but I don’t see Russia having that much leverage in the US.
It is worthy of note that Trump cabinet nominees such as General James Mattis is firmly sceptical of Putin, and will be advising Trump on how to check-mate him.

It is almost a given that the US congress is also going to be playing hard ball with regard to Putin, regardless of what Trump may feel.

The Senate with Republicans such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio will be pushing for anti Putin stance.

So, there is likely to be clash of policy view-points right inside Trump’s cabinet meetings, while congress will be exerting pressure of its own as well as blocking any such moves by White house.

The long and short of it, it’s going to be an uphill task for Trump to entertain Putin, much less give him a free reign to influence stuff in the US.


Based on his public statements, Trumps foreign policy seems to be brown nosing Israel at the expense of the CIA, NATO and other allies.

For Putin; as head of state of Russia and a former KGB spy, manipulating Trump should be a trivial exercise.
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