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US Elections, Hillary or Trump?
chemirocha
#1501 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 7:28:14 AM
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hardwood wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

In this very thread on some earlier post I have said that it is Obama (and Hillary) who armed rebels to remove Assad in Syria, like they armed rebels to remove Qadaffi in Libya. Then Assad sought the help of Russians to help him crush the rebels (and ISIS) that wanted to remove him, which the Russians successfully did and today even the rebel/ISIS stronghold of Aleppo has been cleansed. Note that many rebel groups funded by the west later joined ISIS which was seeking to establish a caliphate in the middle east.

So my point was that since Trump has deviated from Obama's policy of arming rebels and rather wants a closer working relationship with Russia (which thus means Assad), things will only get better where the fight against rebels /terrorists is concerned. Remember that in the middle east there were two main rebel groups, that is ISIS and the "other rebel groups". The US was arming the "other west funded rebel groups" what it was referring to as the "good rebels/ terrorists" and using them against Assad, Qadaffi etc. But when Russia moved in to help Assad it started fighting all rebels, that is ISIS and all groups that had been armed by US and UK to remove Assad. That is why the US and UK were complaining that Russia was also bombing "their good guys".

With Trump supporting Russia in the middle east, it will be tricky for the US since Trump and Russia will be fighting the same rebels the US has been funding and equipping, and in fact some of those rebel groups have CIA agents embedded in them who are training and guiding them.

One other thing we should note is that Trump is a narcissistic man who respects powerful men. Therefore expect him to be close to Russia's Putin, Assad and many strongmen, maybe even Mugabe. I do not foresee him pushing for good governance in some backwater 3rd world countries like Kenya. And therefore people like baba, perennial losers who havent shown any capacity to acquire power will be ignored and sidelined in favour of "smart" leaders like Ohuru who can win. Trump likes winners.

Trump is also on record saying that the biggest threat to the world is Islamic terrorism and that therefore a country like Russia which he calls a "white civilised country" needs to be supported in this war by other white civilised countries.

https://www.theguardian....n/03/us-isis-syria-iraq[/quote]

Your theory fails because US and Russian regional interests are in direct contradiction. The Russians share close military ties with Assad while the US is bound by treaty to protect Israeli and Turkish/ NATO interests.

It is important to note that Israel and Syria are technically still at war.


The Trump inauguration on Jan 20 will throw the spanner in the works. Trump's only enemy in the middle east is Iran. But Iran and Russia are helping Assad/Syria fight ISIS/rebels, complicating matters. Also Trump has vowed to protect Israel. The US is also bound to support NATO. With this plethora of scenarios it seems Trump is what the world has been waiting for. Someone to befriend and bring everyone on board. #BwanaDawa


Seems he has started off on the wrong note, antagonising the Arab world with his threat to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

To resolve the many issues in the Middle East it will take very sober minds and a level of diplomacy that Trump is incapable of.
Anti_Burglar
#1502 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 10:59:02 AM
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chemirocha wrote:
hardwood wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

In this very thread on some earlier post I have said that it is Obama (and Hillary) who armed rebels to remove Assad in Syria, like they armed rebels to remove Qadaffi in Libya. Then Assad sought the help of Russians to help him crush the rebels (and ISIS) that wanted to remove him, which the Russians successfully did and today even the rebel/ISIS stronghold of Aleppo has been cleansed. Note that many rebel groups funded by the west later joined ISIS which was seeking to establish a caliphate in the middle east.

So my point was that since Trump has deviated from Obama's policy of arming rebels and rather wants a closer working relationship with Russia (which thus means Assad), things will only get better where the fight against rebels /terrorists is concerned. Remember that in the middle east there were two main rebel groups, that is ISIS and the "other rebel groups". The US was arming the "other west funded rebel groups" what it was referring to as the "good rebels/ terrorists" and using them against Assad, Qadaffi etc. But when Russia moved in to help Assad it started fighting all rebels, that is ISIS and all groups that had been armed by US and UK to remove Assad. That is why the US and UK were complaining that Russia was also bombing "their good guys".

With Trump supporting Russia in the middle east, it will be tricky for the US since Trump and Russia will be fighting the same rebels the US has been funding and equipping, and in fact some of those rebel groups have CIA agents embedded in them who are training and guiding them.

One other thing we should note is that Trump is a narcissistic man who respects powerful men. Therefore expect him to be close to Russia's Putin, Assad and many strongmen, maybe even Mugabe. I do not foresee him pushing for good governance in some backwater 3rd world countries like Kenya. And therefore people like baba, perennial losers who havent shown any capacity to acquire power will be ignored and sidelined in favour of "smart" leaders like Ohuru who can win. Trump likes winners.

Trump is also on record saying that the biggest threat to the world is Islamic terrorism and that therefore a country like Russia which he calls a "white civilised country" needs to be supported in this war by other white civilised countries.

https://www.theguardian....n/03/us-isis-syria-iraq[/quote]

Your theory fails because US and Russian regional interests are in direct contradiction. The Russians share close military ties with Assad while the US is bound by treaty to protect Israeli and Turkish/ NATO interests.

It is important to note that Israel and Syria are technically still at war.


The Trump inauguration on Jan 20 will throw the spanner in the works. Trump's only enemy in the middle east is Iran. But Iran and Russia are helping Assad/Syria fight ISIS/rebels, complicating matters. Also Trump has vowed to protect Israel. The US is also bound to support NATO. With this plethora of scenarios it seems Trump is what the world has been waiting for. Someone to befriend and bring everyone on board. #BwanaDawa


Seems he has started off on the wrong note, antagonising the Arab world with his threat to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

To resolve the many issues in the Middle East it will take very sober minds and a level of diplomacy that Trump is incapable of.



Chemirocha, so you think Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni Arab states and their governments care about Palestine and Jerusalem?
chemirocha
#1503 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 11:50:22 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
hardwood wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

In this very thread on some earlier post I have said that it is Obama (and Hillary) who armed rebels to remove Assad in Syria, like they armed rebels to remove Qadaffi in Libya. Then Assad sought the help of Russians to help him crush the rebels (and ISIS) that wanted to remove him, which the Russians successfully did and today even the rebel/ISIS stronghold of Aleppo has been cleansed. Note that many rebel groups funded by the west later joined ISIS which was seeking to establish a caliphate in the middle east.

So my point was that since Trump has deviated from Obama's policy of arming rebels and rather wants a closer working relationship with Russia (which thus means Assad), things will only get better where the fight against rebels /terrorists is concerned. Remember that in the middle east there were two main rebel groups, that is ISIS and the "other rebel groups". The US was arming the "other west funded rebel groups" what it was referring to as the "good rebels/ terrorists" and using them against Assad, Qadaffi etc. But when Russia moved in to help Assad it started fighting all rebels, that is ISIS and all groups that had been armed by US and UK to remove Assad. That is why the US and UK were complaining that Russia was also bombing "their good guys".

With Trump supporting Russia in the middle east, it will be tricky for the US since Trump and Russia will be fighting the same rebels the US has been funding and equipping, and in fact some of those rebel groups have CIA agents embedded in them who are training and guiding them.

One other thing we should note is that Trump is a narcissistic man who respects powerful men. Therefore expect him to be close to Russia's Putin, Assad and many strongmen, maybe even Mugabe. I do not foresee him pushing for good governance in some backwater 3rd world countries like Kenya. And therefore people like baba, perennial losers who havent shown any capacity to acquire power will be ignored and sidelined in favour of "smart" leaders like Ohuru who can win. Trump likes winners.

Trump is also on record saying that the biggest threat to the world is Islamic terrorism and that therefore a country like Russia which he calls a "white civilised country" needs to be supported in this war by other white civilised countries.

https://www.theguardian....n/03/us-isis-syria-iraq[/quote]

Your theory fails because US and Russian regional interests are in direct contradiction. The Russians share close military ties with Assad while the US is bound by treaty to protect Israeli and Turkish/ NATO interests.

It is important to note that Israel and Syria are technically still at war.


The Trump inauguration on Jan 20 will throw the spanner in the works. Trump's only enemy in the middle east is Iran. But Iran and Russia are helping Assad/Syria fight ISIS/rebels, complicating matters. Also Trump has vowed to protect Israel. The US is also bound to support NATO. With this plethora of scenarios it seems Trump is what the world has been waiting for. Someone to befriend and bring everyone on board. #BwanaDawa


Seems he has started off on the wrong note, antagonising the Arab world with his threat to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

To resolve the many issues in the Middle East it will take very sober minds and a level of diplomacy that Trump is incapable of.



Chemirocha, so you think Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni Arab states and their governments care about Palestine and Jerusalem?


Jerusalem is home to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, third holiest site in Islam. Particularly for the Saudis that is a politically sensitive topic.
Anti_Burglar
#1504 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 12:13:51 PM
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Joined: 9/11/2015
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chemirocha wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
hardwood wrote:
chemirocha wrote:
[quote=hardwood]

In this very thread on some earlier post I have said that it is Obama (and Hillary) who armed rebels to remove Assad in Syria, like they armed rebels to remove Qadaffi in Libya. Then Assad sought the help of Russians to help him crush the rebels (and ISIS) that wanted to remove him, which the Russians successfully did and today even the rebel/ISIS stronghold of Aleppo has been cleansed. Note that many rebel groups funded by the west later joined ISIS which was seeking to establish a caliphate in the middle east.

So my point was that since Trump has deviated from Obama's policy of arming rebels and rather wants a closer working relationship with Russia (which thus means Assad), things will only get better where the fight against rebels /terrorists is concerned. Remember that in the middle east there were two main rebel groups, that is ISIS and the "other rebel groups". The US was arming the "other west funded rebel groups" what it was referring to as the "good rebels/ terrorists" and using them against Assad, Qadaffi etc. But when Russia moved in to help Assad it started fighting all rebels, that is ISIS and all groups that had been armed by US and UK to remove Assad. That is why the US and UK were complaining that Russia was also bombing "their good guys".

With Trump supporting Russia in the middle east, it will be tricky for the US since Trump and Russia will be fighting the same rebels the US has been funding and equipping, and in fact some of those rebel groups have CIA agents embedded in them who are training and guiding them.

One other thing we should note is that Trump is a narcissistic man who respects powerful men. Therefore expect him to be close to Russia's Putin, Assad and many strongmen, maybe even Mugabe. I do not foresee him pushing for good governance in some backwater 3rd world countries like Kenya. And therefore people like baba, perennial losers who havent shown any capacity to acquire power will be ignored and sidelined in favour of "smart" leaders like Ohuru who can win. Trump likes winners.

Trump is also on record saying that the biggest threat to the world is Islamic terrorism and that therefore a country like Russia which he calls a "white civilised country" needs to be supported in this war by other white civilised countries.

https://www.theguardian....n/03/us-isis-syria-iraq[/quote]

Your theory fails because US and Russian regional interests are in direct contradiction. The Russians share close military ties with Assad while the US is bound by treaty to protect Israeli and Turkish/ NATO interests.

It is important to note that Israel and Syria are technically still at war.


The Trump inauguration on Jan 20 will throw the spanner in the works. Trump's only enemy in the middle east is Iran. But Iran and Russia are helping Assad/Syria fight ISIS/rebels, complicating matters. Also Trump has vowed to protect Israel. The US is also bound to support NATO. With this plethora of scenarios it seems Trump is what the world has been waiting for. Someone to befriend and bring everyone on board. #BwanaDawa


Seems he has started off on the wrong note, antagonising the Arab world with his threat to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

To resolve the many issues in the Middle East it will take very sober minds and a level of diplomacy that Trump is incapable of.



Chemirocha, so you think Saudi Arabia, and other Sunni Arab states and their governments care about Palestine and Jerusalem?


Jerusalem is home to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, third holiest site in Islam. Particularly for the Saudis that is a politically sensitive topic.


Political views will always trump religious views when it comes to the governments of Saudi Arabia and the Sunni states. They will gang up to bomb fellow Muslims in Yemen than honour Allah and his places of worship. That is why you only get to hear of Palestinians, Israel and USA only bickering over Jerusalem and 2 states solution etc.
limanika
#1505 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 1:48:27 PM
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The only thing you can take to the bank about Trump is that he's going to be more inward looking. Every deal will be reviewed on the basis 'what's in it for america'. But at some point he will realize ' you cant trump everyone and MAGA(make america great again)'
Ngalaka
#1506 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 6:31:45 PM
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Trump is one unpredictable guy!
He seems to work on impulses.
Feels the urge to answer each and every critic!
Currently engaged in unprecedented arguments with the intelligence community!

John Lewis - a civil rights icon is also on the receiving end after he dared criticise the president elect!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Alba
#1507 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 8:43:30 PM
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Joined: 12/27/2012
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Ngalaka wrote:
Trump is one unpredictable guy!
He seems to work on impulses.
Feels the urge to answer each and every critic!
Currently engaged in unprecedented arguments with the intelligence community!

John Lewis - a civil rights icon is also on the receiving end after he dared criticise the president elect!


I think Steve Bannon of breitbart has been advising trump on what to tweet. And it has been working really well through the primaries, the election and even now.
limanika
#1508 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 8:51:22 PM
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Joined: 9/21/2011
Posts: 2,032
Alba wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Trump is one unpredictable guy!
He seems to work on impulses.
Feels the urge to answer each and every critic!
Currently engaged in unprecedented arguments with the intelligence community!

John Lewis - a civil rights icon is also on the receiving end after he dared criticise the president elect!


I think Steve Bannon of breitbart has been advising trump on what to tweet. And it has been working really well through the primaries, the election and even now.

But for how long will his gravy train last? He totally doesnt understand what makes the world go round. Day one on 20th and reality will start setting in
whiteowl
#1509 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2017 9:00:51 PM
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Joined: 4/16/2014
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limanika wrote:
Alba wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
Trump is one unpredictable guy!
He seems to work on impulses.
Feels the urge to answer each and every critic!
Currently engaged in unprecedented arguments with the intelligence community!

John Lewis - a civil rights icon is also on the receiving end after he dared criticise the president elect!


I think Steve Bannon of breitbart has been advising trump on what to tweet. And it has been working really well through the primaries, the election and even now.

But for how long will his gravy train last? He totally doesnt understand what makes the world go round. Day one on 20th and reality will start setting in


Its going to be one long wait.Its not stopping any time soon.
AlphDoti
#1510 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:02:44 AM
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