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kaka2za wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Sasa huyu Wafula Chebukati has been an ODM life member until a month ago and a staunch baba supporter and even ran on an ODM ticket in 2007. With such a history, how can we trust him to conduct a free and fair election where baba is a candidate? http://www.the-star.co.k...s-vetting-team_c1485296
elections have very little to do with the chairperson! once the ball starts rolling... there is very little that they can do to turn the wheel. the ball is rolling... things are moving... remember kivuitu? kazi ya huyu itakuwa kupewa karatasi asome! Can you imagine a die-hard ohuru supporter and TNA life member and previous TNA mp candidate being appointed as the referee between ohuru and baba? Right now baba would be on the streets with mass action to protest appointing 'ohuru friend" to the post. He would be demanding a neutral referee. yes... the would be mistaken... they would make noise but would be mistaken. They would probably engage in activities like protest to kick him/her out and end up doing so but would not add or minus anything in the grand scheme of things. kwa ufupi it would useless. Even kicking out Isaack Hassan was ill-advised. How do you replace experienced commissioners just few months to the voting day? Why didn't they agitate for changes in 2015 or earlier? CORD/NASA/NASWA are in for a surprise on this one. You need a probation period on any job ..... then you map out things. Anyway let us wait and see. Though i strongly believe (without evidence) that IEBC is 'run' more/better by the Secretariat than Commissioners. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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kaka2za wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Sasa huyu Wafula Chebukati has been an ODM life member until a month ago and a staunch baba supporter and even ran on an ODM ticket in 2007. With such a history, how can we trust him to conduct a free and fair election where baba is a candidate? http://www.the-star.co.k...s-vetting-team_c1485296
elections have very little to do with the chairperson! once the ball starts rolling... there is very little that they can do to turn the wheel. the ball is rolling... things are moving... remember kivuitu? kazi ya huyu itakuwa kupewa karatasi asome! Can you imagine a die-hard ohuru supporter and TNA life member and previous TNA mp candidate being appointed as the referee between ohuru and baba? Right now baba would be on the streets with mass action to protest appointing 'ohuru friend" to the post. He would be demanding a neutral referee. yes... the would be mistaken... they would make noise but would be mistaken. They would probably engage in activities like protest to kick him/her out and end up doing so but would not add or minus anything in the grand scheme of things. kwa ufupi it would useless. Even kicking out Isaack Hassan was ill-advised. How do you replace experienced commissioners just few months to the voting day? Why didn't they agitate for changes in 2015 or earlier? But its obvious! There is a plan to it. Precipitate an artificial crisis, and set it for failure, then pandemonium then demand things. PM pap Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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http://www.the-star.co.k...-avert-rigging_c1484373
@masukuma, please advise on the article above. The writer opines that the EVID is a useless investment that does zero in terms of guaranteeing integrity of the elections.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ? ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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masukuma wrote:FRM2011 wrote:masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ? ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana) Again this is where the party agents become critical. Assume like 2 million mwitu ballots are sneaked into the system and distributed in the strongholds. It is the role of the party agents to be hawk eyed to ensure fair play. If the party agents are compromised and look the other way, a compromised clerk can issue multiple ballots. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Gathige wrote:masukuma wrote:FRM2011 wrote:masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognize you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ? ballots are not issued to polling stations vururu mtende! each polling station has limits based on persons who registered to vote and there is accounting afterwards! a voter can (should be given 6 ballots... president,national assembly rep, senator, women rep, MCAs, gafana) Again this is where the party agents become critical. Assume like 2 million mwitu ballots are sneaked into the system and distributed in the strongholds. It is the role of the party agents to be hawk eyed to ensure fair play. If the party agents are compromised and look the other way, a compromised clerk can issue multiple ballots. yes - that too! elections have multiple stakeholders (voters, candidates e.t.c). they are not supposed to be passive! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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FRM2011 wrote:masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ? don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers". hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa'  it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:FRM2011 wrote:masukuma wrote:the problem with elections is that people love showing up at the last minute with "good" proposals then the election happens and sometime in 2022 they show up again asking... WHY CAN'T WE [INSERT SOME RANDOM PROPOSAL HERE]? a couple of things 1) the register - it's available in desegregated form to all political parties and candidates. technically you can walk into the IEBC and request (there may be costs but you should get a copy of the register- id number masked with no photos). the register relying on ID numbers alone? what has she been smoking... there was that dude you guys were telling me had 17 IDs. I do register audits for a living - biographical data de-duplication works well (you need to be clever to catch typos - there are a gazillion typos when you let 15k students capture details of 15m people) but not as good as biometrics. sometimes you need both coz biometrics really give you a "score" and depending on the thresholds of automatic declaration of "multiple registration" it may fail to catch all of them. 2) Biometrics do their work fairly well and their work is to IDENTIFY. thats it! 3) we have polling day procedures in place. of course if we could have "electric ballot dispensers" it would be great... we don't have them. we don't have ballot counters. Should we buy 34k of them? or maybe 34k*6? who will load them? 4) in as far as transmission of results are concerned ruzhdie could always happen if the total voters verified (regardless of which way they were 'verified') don't set the maximum number of votes. Is it true that the polling clerk can give you a ballot paper even when the EVID does not recognise you ? What about that allegation of a voter being given 6 ballots ? Sounds outrageous, but can it happen ? Just how much is dependent on human intervention ? don't mean to sound rude, lakini @masukuma has clearly said biometrics is ONLY for verifying, and he has also said we do not have "electric ballot dispensers". hata kama ni culture ya 'kusomewa' it is clear from his response, he has also stated there are polling day procedures, of course a polling clerk can give you the papers, hata zote za polling station anaweza kupea, maybe I am proud lkini mambo ingine ni kusoma na kuelewa, unless kuna point you are trying to force through Had you taken time to read full thread, you'd have noticed i was asking @masukuma advice in reference to the article whose link i had provided. Now, why @masukuma ? Because he is an elections professional who shares his "very informed" opinions freely. The day i need to know a thing or two about tender-preneurship, trust me i will humbly seek your advice. For now, please take a seat and listen to the expert on election matters. Have a great weekend.
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