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hardwood wrote:In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. They go on strike, the professors, on Monday, I gather. You should hand in your quotation to Itumbi for handling that strike too immediately.
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muganda wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:No. I am suggesting that wanjiko who lives on a-dollar-a-day amechoka and all salaries should be reasonable, even hiyo ya mpigs should be reduced.  In my view,1million and 150K for doctors and politicians respectively are reasonable pay @Swenani, you're onto something. In Kenya, MCA's (let alone MPs) earn more than doctors. A few examples elsewhere... USA approx average yearly pay Family Doctor: $195,000 Representative lower/upper: $174,000 Teacher: $57,000 Switzerland approx average annual pay Family doctor: $121,000 MP: $64,000 Teacher: $68,000 in kenya the politicians are highly paid, but on average docs are paid 2 or 3 times a teacher, in kenya teachers are paid on average around 40-50k so a doctor being paid 150-200k is even better than the European doctors and just about the same as the doc wa akina kiash
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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quicksand wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu. You cannot just give in to Doctors because you have 5billion. You must look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Angelica _ann wrote:quicksand wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu. You cannot just give in to Doctors because you have 5billion. You must look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors!!!!! Agreed @Angelica_ann - but the RIPPLE effect does not begin with doctors. The easiest way to control the doctors (and other civil servants) may be by regulating the pay of best paid classes in Kenya: 1. Looters including land grabbers 2. Tenderprenuers 3. MPs
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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muganda wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:quicksand wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu. You cannot just give in to Doctors because you have 5billion. You must look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors!!!!! Agreed @Angelica_ann - but the RIPPLE effect does not begin with doctors. The easiest way to control the doctors (and other civil servants) may be by regulating the pay of best paid classes in Kenya: 1. Looters including land grabbers 2. Tenderprenuers 3. MPs The 200K offered is high enough We must not mix up issues. Kafura looting and other JUbilee thugs has no bearing on doctors' pay Because if the only reason salaries should be raised is corruption in public sector, should we say doctors should not get raises when there's no graft?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Angelica _ann wrote:quicksand wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu. You cannot just give in to Doctors because you have 5billion. You must look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors!!!!! It all boils down to that tired cliche. "Choices have consequences." In an ideal situation, every aspect of salaries and remunerations for anyone paid by Wanjiku should be negotiated and agreed upon by The Salaries and Remuneration Commission. This commission, as you so rightly aver, should among other things, "look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors." and award salaries and wages accordingly. However, State House has on a number of occasions influenced the ignorance and over-ruling of this Commission and dealt directly with concerned unions and employee cadres, coming up with Collective Bargaining Agreements. The result is that yesterday, it was the Teachers,(?) who Dr. Matiang'i (Bless his Soul) has proved are not teaching but ........ Today, it is the Doctors, and tomorrow, it will be the University Professors. The day after tomorrow, it will be the (God forbid), Police, GSU (Because The Right Honorable Prime Minister promises a very busy year for them) and the men and women who wear the uniform of our Defense Forces. This "choice" we made has ignored other sound forms of advice ventured by the requisite professionals. Examples include the signing of the Njomo Bill capping interest rates and most recently the Independent(?) Erections and Boundaries Bill. The way I see it, Kenia One will influence the Docs huge pay rise because Wanjiku, who made her choice, is suffering due to poor/non-existent health care. It is what my Economics tutor used to call a vicious circle in the late Eighties.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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aemathenge wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:quicksand wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money? In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning. An administration which has looted 5 billion cannot turn around and say it does not have money to and expect the populace to side with it. 5 Billion! Into the pockets of may be 6 or 7 jamaas ....if the doctors asked 5 million per month it would still look reasonable against the backdrop of this massive theft. Unbelievable. The nerve of this Uhuru Kenyatta guy.... Wakae ngumu. You cannot just give in to Doctors because you have 5billion. You must look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors!!!!! It all boils down to that tired cliche. "Choices have consequences." In an ideal situation, every aspect of salaries and remunerations for anyone paid by Wanjiku should be negotiated and agreed upon by The Salaries and Remuneration Commission. This commission, as you so rightly aver, should among other things, "look at the ripple effect that will do the economy including demands from other sectors, sustainability in the long run and also factor in future increments and awards plus how the current award will impact employing more Doctors." and award salaries and wages accordingly. However, State House has on a number of occasions influenced the ignorance and over-ruling of this Commission and dealt directly with concerned unions and employee cadres, coming up with Collective Bargaining Agreements. The result is that yesterday, it was the Teachers,(?) who Dr. Matiang'i (Bless his Soul) has proved are not teaching but ........ Today, it is the Doctors, and tomorrow, it will be the University Professors. The day after tomorrow, it will be the (God forbid), Police, GSU (Because The Right Honorable Prime Minister promises a very busy year for them) and the men and women who wear the uniform of our Defense Forces. This "choice" we made has ignored other sound forms of advice ventured by the requisite professionals. Examples include the signing of the Njomo Bill capping interest rates and most recently the Independent(?) Erections and Boundaries Bill. The way I see it, Kenia One will influence the Docs huge pay rise because Wanjiku, who made her choice, is suffering due to poor/non-existent health care. It is what my Economics tutor used to call a vicious circle in the late Eighties. A ripple effect is not confined to cash payments. The gov't thus far has done a good and superb job to paint the doctors as only looking for a pay rise. That is not true. The main contention is that the gov't HAS DECIDED TO IGNORE, the other aspects of the CRB...For example, when you go to any hospital, there are no gloves, no meds, not enough doctors etc... So as much as Jubilee fellas would like to stick to the money narrative, the fact is the doctors are actually trying to save your life by insisting that hospitals be properly equipped. The ripple effect is more than the money. This gov't has formed a habit of reneging on any agreement it has signed. All strikes in this regime have started because the gov't decided not to do what it has sworn it would do. It's like the laptop thing. They say, they never deliver. So right now we are talking about gov't contracts where the gov't is refusing to perform their part of the bargain.. You should be worried especially when you are buying gov't bonds. Who knows, maybe next year they shall say even your contract is null and void. That's the ripple effect. A total lack of trust of anything this particular gov't says or does. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:muganda wrote:Swenani wrote:hardwood wrote:No. I am suggesting that wanjiko who lives on a-dollar-a-day amechoka and all salaries should be reasonable, even hiyo ya mpigs should be reduced. In my view,1million and 150K for doctors and politicians respectively are reasonable pay @Swenani, you're onto something. In Kenya, MCA's (let alone MPs) earn more than doctors. A few examples elsewhere... USA approx average yearly pay Family Doctor: $195,000 Representative lower/upper: $174,000 Teacher: $57,000 Switzerland approx average annual pay Family doctor: $121,000 MP: $64,000 Teacher: $68,000 in kenya the politicians are highly paid, but on average docs are paid 2 or 3 times a teacher, in kenya teachers are paid on average around 40-50k so a doctor being paid 150-200k is even better than the European doctors and just about the same as the doc wa akina kiash Which Kenya are you referring to? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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