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IEBC showdown today!!!!!!!!
masukuma
#261 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 7:20:09 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
FRM2011
#262 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 8:34:00 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 11/5/2010
Posts: 2,459
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...



Great stuff @masukuma. Most of us just want a smooth election and live goes on. We really don't care who wins. But IEBC holds the trump card here. No more than ever, it may be important to reach out to cord for their input. If cord guys are convinced there is sufficient goodwill and genuineness at IEBC, that would reduse the tension and anxiety towards election day.

Ngalaka
#263 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:06:39 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...



Great stuff @masukuma. Most of us just want a smooth election and live goes on. We really don't care who wins. But IEBC holds the trump card here. No more than ever, it may be important to reach out to cord for their input. If cord guys are convinced there is sufficient goodwill and genuineness at IEBC, that would reduse the tension and anxiety towards election day.



That is assuming that they are genuinely interested in smooth and fair elections.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ngalaka
#264 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:11:10 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
So, Mama mboga's fingerprint will not be recognised by the EVID but the BVR will not have a problem registering her ?


there are 3 types of people

1) people who the IEBC does not have biometrics for due to loss of data during registration - machines crash e.t.c. and cannot recover e.t.c..
2) people who they could not collect fingerprints for in the beginning - the 4-4-2 scanners could not just extract fingerprints from them.

for 1 and 2 see this list http://www.iebc.or.ke/in...without-bimoetrics-list
3) people who enroll using those 4-4-2 scanners and cannot be verified using others because of the degradation of state of their biometrics between registration day in 2013 and 2017. these are workers who do lots of stone work, work with oils or people who are under chemotherapy <-- this number is unknown


Thanks masukuma for the clarification.

Is there a way to offer assurance to the cord guys that manual backup is not equal to rigging ?

I ask because cord has been alleging 2M voters only voted for president and not other posts. When I checked the IEBC data, turns out the figure wasn't correct and indeed the biggest discrepancy was in meru county for 5,000 votes only.

But you and i know in politics, the perception is what matters. Facts and reality don't count.


How much credit are we to give these guys!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Ngalaka
#265 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:47:30 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 10/29/2008
Posts: 1,566
A few moths ago, these guys initiated street battles to kick out IEBC commissioners. They got their wish on that - the entire commission was axed.
Now even before the process of replacing the sacked IEBC commissioners, we see hurdles on the path! Kisa na maana ni = wa-BukusuLaughing out loudly .

As we move away from that controversy we are now dealing with - "manual back up is an avenue for rigging" allegation!
That is casting aspersions on the new IEBC team even before it is assembled!
So what was the use of kicking out Isaac Hasan and team - a matter that cost us quite heavily!

We are now putting together a team to prepare for elections in less that seven Months against all odds and wise advice!

Setting ourselves for failure! I wonder.

Does such a situation favour any of the foremost politicians!

Might it be a strategy in and of itself!




Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
masukuma
#266 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:46:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 10/4/2006
Posts: 13,823
Location: Nairobi
Ngalaka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...



Great stuff @masukuma. Most of us just want a smooth election and live goes on. We really don't care who wins. But IEBC holds the trump card here. No more than ever, it may be important to reach out to cord for their input. If cord guys are convinced there is sufficient goodwill and genuineness at IEBC, that would reduse the tension and anxiety towards election day.



That is assuming that they are genuinely interested in smooth and fair elections.

Election day is an excerise of close to 200k people - 34,000 polling stations each with 5-6 people, constituency, county and national tally staff - its hard to have a conspiracy of these number of people. if you think about it - even now no one has ever comeout a "leaked" a plot in as far as 2013 is concerned. From my assessment and my interactions - IEBC has a point to prove! they have this monkey on their back put there... that they are anti-Cord and pro-jubilee. They want to do this election very well and rescue their name. I suspect they are looking at under promising and over delivery.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
maka
#267 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:59:10 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
masukuma wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...



Great stuff @masukuma. Most of us just want a smooth election and live goes on. We really don't care who wins. But IEBC holds the trump card here. No more than ever, it may be important to reach out to cord for their input. If cord guys are convinced there is sufficient goodwill and genuineness at IEBC, that would reduse the tension and anxiety towards election day.



That is assuming that they are genuinely interested in smooth and fair elections.

Election day is an excerise of close to 200k people - 34,000 polling stations each with 5-6 people, constituency, county and national tally staff - its hard to have a conspiracy of these number of people. if you think about it - even now no one has ever comeout a "leaked" a plot in as far as 2013 is concerned. From my assessment and my interactions - IEBC has a point to prove! they have this monkey on their back put there... that they are anti-Cord and pro-jubilee. They want to do this election very well and rescue their name. I suspect they are looking at under promising and over delivery.


That would be good...fair and square.
possunt quia posse videntur
Gathige
#268 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:29:54 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
The real showdown begins next Monday Jan 16th when IEBC starts the Second Mass Voter Registration exercise targeting a new 6 m new voters. Whoever wants to win has to mobilize their bases to register first, and vote later. Once the window closes on Feb 14th and the numbers are in, we can comfortably predict the winners.



"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
sitaki.kujulikana
#269 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 5:34:34 PM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/25/2012
Posts: 1,826
masukuma wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
washiku wrote:
Clearly explained here by our very own

http://www.nation.co.ke/...11576-o6bblz/index.html


Well written Masukush. Were you limited in words?

Thanks. Yes, opinion pieces have a word count limit - so my flowery style of explaining stuff had to be replaced by a much more targeted language.


Is it possible for you to give us an argument/explanation for the 'opposing view'?


Yes - they are right to be concerned. Any substantial fraud happens At the polling station - forget everything you heard in 2007 ati at KICC. Polling station is everything. I get it that they want verification by electronic means, it's the best way - my proposal is for those few whose fingerprints cannot be extracted is to "identify" them electronically then manually verify them with checks and balances to ensure transparency at the highest level. Everything else can be made to procedurally. we must also let the IEBC do it's job...



Great stuff @masukuma. Most of us just want a smooth election and live goes on. We really don't care who wins. But IEBC holds the trump card here. No more than ever, it may be important to reach out to cord for their input. If cord guys are convinced there is sufficient goodwill and genuineness at IEBC, that would reduse the tension and anxiety towards election day.



That is assuming that they are genuinely interested in smooth and fair elections.

Election day is an excerise of close to 200k people - 34,000 polling stations each with 5-6 people, constituency, county and national tally staff - its hard to have a conspiracy of these number of people. if you think about it - even now no one has ever comeout a "leaked" a plot in as far as 2013 is concerned. From my assessment and my interactions - IEBC has a point to prove! they have this monkey on their back put there... that they are anti-Cord and pro-jubilee. They want to do this election very well and rescue their name. I suspect they are looking at under promising and over delivery.

I don't think there will be any point to prove, or nany name to rescue if the election is close, they will not be allowed to prove that point or even to rescue that name.
the only saving grace for IEBC will be if the victory margin is higher, otherwise I see another anti IEBC move if the margin is kidogo.
hardwood
#270 Posted : Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:31:19 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
Sasa huyu Wafula Chebukati has been an ODM life member until a month ago and a staunch baba supporter and even ran on an ODM ticket in 2007. With such a history, how can we trust him to conduct a free and fair election where baba is a candidate?

http://www.the-star.co.k...ls-vetting-team_c1485296
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