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#81 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 4:33:41 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Our resident idiots have spoken.


Seems fair, ukitaka kazi una apply, so that latter you won't start complaining sijui hardship, sijui facilities.
It's good since it will be up to the counties to go out of their ways to attract the docs, na hi mambo ya herd mentality for the docs iishe.


Yenyewe, why must they be posted by gava?
Even attachos wanatafutiwa.
Kwani hao wanakaa aje special?
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

KulaRaha
#82 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 4:41:16 PM
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Direct posting ensures that doctors take jobs in not so attractive locations.

If its apply, who will apply to work in Mandera etc?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
muganda
#83 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 4:45:55 PM
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An unbiased reading of this CBA between government and KMPDU of June 2013, does indeed show: https://files.acrobat.com/a/prev...e-4ace-907d-72ffdb4c976a

1. as with most strikes, primary issues began with Union Rights and checkoff from members
2. no agreement was reached on some items, with them being enclosed showing different positions (job groups, residency, internship)
3. salary & allowance proposals (~300%) suspended until such time when SRC will provide clear guidelines


Can government continue to train/pay/develop a worker class who they can't manage?
Can doctors work with civil servants who have made political pursuits (governors, MPs, MCAs, etc) the only worthy ones in Kenya?
If both sides have a case, how does everyone get out of this muddle?

muganda
#84 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:38:32 AM
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HOT IN THE KITCHEN!


ARCHIVE


KulaRaha
#85 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:02:00 AM
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Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
hardwood
#86 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:14:48 AM
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Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.
FRM2011
#87 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:01:48 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?
KulaRaha
#88 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:06:45 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
PeterReborn
#89 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:09:13 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?
Consistency is better than intensity
hardwood
#90 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:18:13 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?
sitaki.kujulikana
#91 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:19:20 PM
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muganda wrote:
HOT IN THE KITCHEN!


ARCHIVE



hawa wanaka young turks, enyewe matiangi has made some things very clear
PeterReborn
#92 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:20:31 PM
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hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?

How much are you paying the useless MPIGS?
Consistency is better than intensity
hardwood
#93 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:42:37 PM
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PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?

How much are you paying the useless MPIGS?


So you are suggesting that "wanjiku" should pay all govt workers 1m each pm?
Swenani
#94 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:47:21 PM
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hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?


How are we not paying our politicians over 1m+ per month?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Swenani
#95 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:49:07 PM
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hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?

How much are you paying the useless MPIGS?


So you are suggesting that "wanjiku" should pay all govt workers 1m each pm?


So you're suggesting that "Wainjiku" should only pay mpigs 1m?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
hardwood
#96 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 1:57:55 PM
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Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.




Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?

How much are you paying the useless MPIGS?


So you are suggesting that "wanjiku" should pay all govt workers 1m each pm?


So you're suggesting that "Wainjiku" should only pay mpigs 1m?


No. I am suggesting that wanjiko who lives on a-dollar-a-day amechoka and all salaries should be reasonable, even hiyo ya mpigs should be reduced.

Swenani
#97 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:04:11 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Let those doctors who dont want to work for govt quit. Let them go into private practice and earn that 1m they are demanding. A starting salary of about 200k offered by govt is good by any standard, now that many docs work in smaller towns where the cost of living is low.



Can see Dennis itumbi has sent the 527 bob.

When are the doctors from India and Cuba coming ?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Mpaka za kutoa?


Seriously how can we be paying each doctor 1m per month?

How much are you paying the useless MPIGS?


So you are suggesting that "wanjiku" should pay all govt workers 1m each pm?


So you're suggesting that "Wainjiku" should only pay mpigs 1m?


No. I am suggesting that wanjiko who lives on a-dollar-a-day amechoka and all salaries should be reasonable, even hiyo ya mpigs should be reduced.



In my view,1million and 150K for doctors and politicians respectively are reasonable pay
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
muganda
#98 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:02:01 PM
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Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:

No. I am suggesting that wanjiko who lives on a-dollar-a-day amechoka and all salaries should be reasonable, even hiyo ya mpigs should be reduced.



In my view,1million and 150K for doctors and politicians respectively are reasonable pay


@Swenani, you're onto something. In Kenya, MCA's (let alone MPs) earn more than doctors. A few examples elsewhere...

USA approx average yearly pay
Family Doctor: $195,000
Representative lower/upper: $174,000
Teacher: $57,000

Switzerland approx average annual pay
Family doctor: $121,000
MP: $64,000
Teacher: $68,000


KulaRaha
#99 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:08:22 PM
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How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money?
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
hardwood
#100 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:20:05 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
How much is hardwood paid? More or less than a Doctor? Is he paid from tax money?


In my view the 200k offered by govt is ok for a junior doctor. BTW that amount is nearly what the junior doctor's professor at medical school is earning.
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