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SGR Progress thus far
Angelica _ann
#401 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 8:07:36 AM
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Chinese loans for Mombasa to Malaba railway hit Sh1 trillion

Total Chinese loans to Kenya for the construction of the Mombasa to Malaba standard gauge railway will hit the Sh1 trillion mark after Exim Bank of China expressed interest in funding the third phase of the project.

The lender will pump in Sh490 billion to build the railway between Kisumu and Malaba to link Kenya and Uganda, bringing the total cost to Sh1.02 trillion.

This comes at a time when Kenya’s annual debt repayment is set to hit Sh618.5 billion next year, which will see the Treasury spend an estimated Sh40 out of every Sh100 collected from taxpayers on servicing the ballooning loans.

The bill represents a 38.5 per cent jump from Sh446.4 billion spent on public debt this year, compared to projected 12 per cent growth in tax collection; a key indicator of the country’s ability to repay.

The bank is already financing the first leg of the railway from Mombasa to Nairobi at a cost of Sh380 billion with completed work standing at over 90 per cent currently.

The second phase between Nairobi and Naivasha, a stretch of 120 kilometres, will cost Sh150 billion. The higher cost between Nairobi and Naivasha has been attributed to harsh terrain.

As a result, the cost of tunnels will take up 23 per cent of the total cost estimated at Sh18.2 billion. The tunnels will cut through Rift Valley escarpments, making design work more expensive.

Exim Bank will also fund construction of a modern Sh14 billion port on the shores of Lake Victoria in Kisumu as Kenya targets a bigger maritime trade stake with its land locked neighbours.

http://www.businessdaily...473152-rou2jn/index.html
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#402 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:55:20 AM
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Now delayed by 6 months, from Jun-2017 to Jan-2018.

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#403 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:39:44 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Chinese loans for Mombasa to Malaba railway hit Sh1 trillion

Total Chinese loans to Kenya for the construction of the Mombasa to Malaba standard gauge railway will hit the Sh1 trillion mark after Exim Bank of China expressed interest in funding the third phase of the project.

The lender will pump in Sh490 billion to build the railway between Kisumu and Malaba to link Kenya and Uganda, bringing the total cost to Sh1.02 trillion.


http://www.businessdaily...73152-rou2jn/index.html


This should be Naivasha to Malaba with total length of 370 kms - Phase 2b 262kms and Phase 3 107kms.

Am sure this deal will be sealed before March 2017 for a few important reasons.

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#404 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:40:06 AM
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#405 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2016 9:18:22 AM
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#406 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2016 9:50:05 AM
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Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.

BBI will solve it
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#407 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2016 11:21:24 AM
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2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?
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#408 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:09:14 PM
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This strongly suggests that Kenya is paying Sh134 billion for a product with a value of Sh43.7 billion an over-payment of $879 million (Sh90.5 billion). Put differently, we are paying a price that is three times the value.


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#409 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:20:09 PM
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Flo-ology wrote:
2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?


Me I am (grammar) not even concerned about electric or diesel...what I wanted was a double track to realize the speed,safety and convenience!

You cannot operate "high" speed trains on singol tracks...the technology to man sigol tracks safely is so expensive and involving...thats why you see the colonial guys introduced the "line clear" which is a wooden key in the shape of a tennis rack and much bigger...the train would not proceed to the next statin until the train engineer was handed that key.

But for double tracks, once the trains are moving in the same direction on the same track, you only need to monitor them on some screen and give them max speeds to operate between certain points, much like its done in the airline.

The 4 hour trip promised between Nairobi and Coast is a PIPE DREAM...It will take minimum 8 hour,believe me! And when we have an incident on the sigol track, expect to cancel your trip!

By "high speed" I mean anything above 100km/h...which is very slow when compared to real HIGH SPEED!
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#410 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 10:28:59 PM
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#411 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 8:42:46 AM
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Impunity wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?


Me I am (grammar) not even concerned about electric or diesel...what I wanted was a double track to realize the speed,safety and convenience!

You cannot operate "high" speed trains on singol tracks...the technology to man sigol tracks safely is so expensive and involving...thats why you see the colonial guys introduced the "line clear" which is a wooden key in the shape of a tennis rack and much bigger...the train would not proceed to the next statin until the train engineer was handed that key.

But for double tracks, once the trains are moving in the same direction on the same track, you only need to monitor them on some screen and give them max speeds to operate between certain points, much like its done in the airline.

The 4 hour trip promised between Nairobi and Coast is a PIPE DREAM...It will take minimum 8 hour,believe me! And when we have an incident on the sigol track, expect to cancel your trip!

By "high speed" I mean anything above 100km/h...which is very slow when compared to real HIGH SPEED!



Am with you here , there is also discipline.I saw the other day the Chinese are doing campaigns for those living along the railway about their safety. Once the maasais start grazing their cows and pap several of them are hit by those trains d'oh! d'oh! then in Kenya its known some people behave the same way as cows , you know when you drive along thika road.The guys who will mann the stations have to be very serious like the air controllers otherwise utaskia a head on collission somewhere. This happens even in developped countries , there was such a case in Germany the other day.
There is also the case of stacking they talk about ati the rail has been made to hold a train with stacked containers, well i'm waiting to see this one.
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#412 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:12:33 AM
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kiash wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?


Me I am (grammar) not even concerned about electric or diesel...what I wanted was a double track to realize the speed,safety and convenience!

You cannot operate "high" speed trains on singol tracks...the technology to man sigol tracks safely is so expensive and involving...thats why you see the colonial guys introduced the "line clear" which is a wooden key in the shape of a tennis rack and much bigger...the train would not proceed to the next statin until the train engineer was handed that key.

But for double tracks, once the trains are moving in the same direction on the same track, you only need to monitor them on some screen and give them max speeds to operate between certain points, much like its done in the airline.

The 4 hour trip promised between Nairobi and Coast is a PIPE DREAM...It will take minimum 8 hour,believe me! And when we have an incident on the sigol track, expect to cancel your trip!

By "high speed" I mean anything above 100km/h...which is very slow when compared to real HIGH SPEED!



Am with you here , there is also discipline.I saw the other day the Chinese are doing campaigns for those living along the railway about their safety. Once the maasais start grazing their cows and pap several of them are hit by those trains d'oh! d'oh! then in Kenya its known some people behave the same way as cows , you know when you drive along thika road.The guys who will mann the stations have to be very serious like the air controllers otherwise utaskia a head on collission somewhere. This happens even in developped countries , there was such a case in Germany the other day.
There is also the case of stacking they talk about ati the rail has been made to hold a train with stacked containers, well i'm waiting to see this one.


Eti double stack containers on that single truck...one emergency break due Maasai cows and pap! everything goes tumbling down.

The recent Germany crash was on a single section and the train was highly digitized system with auto brakes should the driver exceed speed designated.
Its the signal controllers who messed up.
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#413 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:56:52 AM
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The Mombasa SGR Super Bridge coming up nicely...Drool





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#414 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:24:35 AM
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Flo-ology wrote:
2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?


Did they make that promise? I thought they said that it can be easily converted to electric when that time comes?
Surely, there is no way we can do an electric train at this time from Mombasa to Kisumu.

BBI will solve it
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#415 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:24:38 AM
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The Machizi Express Thus Far

DANIEL NYASSY, in his article in the Business Daily dated 09 Njaanuary 2017, has it that four locomotives have docked at the port of Mombasa.

He asserts that this sends a strong signal about the government’s plan to put the Kshs. 372 billion Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) to use by June 2017.

The consignment is the first batch of the powered rail vehicles expected to haul modern wagons along the modern railway.

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They arrived ahead of commissioning on Wednesday (11 Njaanuary 2017?) by Transport and Infrastructure secretary James Macharia, who is expected to flag them off.


How comes Kenian Number One is not commissioning/flagging off these locomotives?

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#416 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:12:54 PM
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kiash wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Flo-ology wrote:
2012 wrote:
Anyway, maji yameshamwagika. I hope you have been getting cheap land along the path of the SGR stations.


Why "maji yamemwagika?" is it because JP Promised electric train and instead delivered diesel hauled loco?


Me I am (grammar) not even concerned about electric or diesel...what I wanted was a double track to realize the speed,safety and convenience!

You cannot operate "high" speed trains on singol tracks...the technology to man sigol tracks safely is so expensive and involving...thats why you see the colonial guys introduced the "line clear" which is a wooden key in the shape of a tennis rack and much bigger...the train would not proceed to the next statin until the train engineer was handed that key.

But for double tracks, once the trains are moving in the same direction on the same track, you only need to monitor them on some screen and give them max speeds to operate between certain points, much like its done in the airline.

The 4 hour trip promised between Nairobi and Coast is a PIPE DREAM...It will take minimum 8 hour,believe me! And when we have an incident on the sigol track, expect to cancel your trip!

By "high speed" I mean anything above 100km/h...which is very slow when compared to real HIGH SPEED!



Am with you here , there is also discipline.I saw the other day the Chinese are doing campaigns for those living along the railway about their safety. Once the maasais start grazing their cows and pap several of them are hit by those trains d'oh! d'oh! then in Kenya its known some people behave the same way as cows , you know when you drive along thika road.The guys who will mann the stations have to be very serious like the air controllers otherwise utaskia a head on collission somewhere. This happens even in developped countries , there was such a case in Germany the other day.
There is also the case of stacking they talk about ati the rail has been made to hold a train with stacked containers, well i'm waiting to see this one.


Now we start getting news of 'residents have blocked the railway to protest the death of so and so who was knocked down by the train.'
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#417 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:36:25 PM
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Impunity wrote:
The Mombasa SGR Super Bridge coming up nicely...Drool






Is that the airport that I am seeing there?
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#418 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:59:33 PM
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@Impunity thanks for bringing up that thingy called the line clear, many eons ago everytime we would go to the coast I would see the train driver (ni ukweli anaitwa machine operator?) drop that tennis-racket shaped thing and pick up another and I would wonder nini hio.
So its purpose is to only open up the line section?
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#419 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:28:14 PM
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aemathenge wrote:
The Machizi Express Thus Far

DANIEL NYASSY, in his article in the Business Daily dated 09 Njaanuary 2017, has it that four locomotives have docked at the port of Mombasa.

He asserts that this sends a strong signal about the government’s plan to put the Kshs. 372 billion Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) to use by June 2017.

The consignment is the first batch of the powered rail vehicles expected to haul modern wagons along the modern railway.

Quote:
They arrived ahead of commissioning on Wednesday (11 Njaanuary 2017?) by Transport and Infrastructure secretary James Macharia, who is expected to flag them off.


How comes Kenian Number One is not commissioning/flagging off these locomotives?

Link:


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#420 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2017 3:47:12 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Impunity wrote:
The Mombasa SGR Super Bridge coming up nicely...Drool






Is that the airport that I am seeing there?


I am also seeing it.
That could be the Changamwe area!
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