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Impossibility of Revolution
quicksand
#11 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 12:41:05 PM
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tycho wrote:
quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
@Wakanyugi, what are the limits to which quantum mechanics can explain 'politics', and what do you mean by 'messy'?

For starters, Quantum Mechanics is a body of math models, and mathematics is a very precise business. Only parallels are possible but one can't model the other and vice versa.


Fortunately, I've been looking at the essence of mathematics- ok, mostly 'Principia' - Russell and Whitehead. And, there are two important that have so far emerged: what exactly is mathematics? and, how is it used in real life?

The secret to what mathematics is perhaps revealed in how a 'number' is defined. A number is a measure of a class of objects. This implies two things; mathematics is a language, and that is used for measuring the universe.

Now, notwithstanding the fact that politics is part of the 'universe', there's something about quantum meçhanics, that we seem to ignore. And this is that everything in the universe is energetically connected, and that's why mathematics is in fact possible.

So maybe the problem is how to measure political activity, something which a moment of reflection, will show as something very possible. We only have to understand the language that measures and connects all languages. And politics too is a language.

Finally, quantum mechanics is highly probabilistic. The precision you're talking about is a fantasy. If, we've been living a quantum universe all along, then the universe works like a quantum computer... not forgeting that this isn't all about the universe.


Politics...is the sum, or aggregation, or a crosscut of life-forces; Our current science does not understand life force, it can't quantify or isolate it, though it has identified constituent physical processes or elements (like quantum mechanics) which if they stop or go wrong on a big enough scale, the life force of the entity ceases to exist. A biological body can be firing, metabolism, neural activity, but there is no life force ..if life is extinct there is no politics. See? Till we understand this, many meta physical questions will be elusive to answer.
tycho
#12 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2017 2:36:55 PM
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I admit that science may have failed to quantify, or describe 'life force'. But this may be a blessing to us.

If we can know what mathematics is, then we can know what science is. Basically, science is the affirmation of expression in reality. Science follows mathematics.

So, that which science hasn't shown, mathematics hasn't expressed. But Mathematics not expressing a state, relation, transition, or event is a limitation met in all languages. It's a morphological and even experiential issue.

Perhaps to make my contribution on 'life force' I can present a hypothesis, which alas, seems to fit: 'life force' is an emergent feature of some quantum states interacting in a system.

In a universe teeming with possibilities, 'life force' is the experience of transitions, moreso those which appear as permanent.

Thankfully, the IBM simulator may be accessible to us and facilitate exploration of such a hypothesis.

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