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Very saddening to note that this choho doesn't know how the govt works. I think the govt needs to run educational courses for some of these governors so that they understand govt operations.
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In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt 1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing 2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence. Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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kayhara wrote:Fyatu wrote:Total bullshit. Yaani total mavi. Even small kids and tourists who landed in Mombasa this minute can see that Jubilee is building Bara bara ya gorofa ya kuenda airport. This is just hollow bravado and infantile antics that in the real sense even demeans the seat of county governor. There is also a miritini interchange that will ease our exodus to mambatha that is under construction Aaah I don't get why guys are worked by what Joho has said, it was not disrespectful or rude, plus it was true the project was financed by world bank, plus tur very few grand projects financed by GoK to benefit Mombasa county, the airport road by (I don't remember) SGR china, drainage,water, mass lighting non motorized infrastructure by world bank. By the way Mombasa is disadvantaged by the current revenue sharing, it actually produces more than it gets back ie it's disadvantaged in area, population, it can not be classified as among the poorest, Joho did nothing wrong here. I'm now believing that there is a lot of misinformation in wazua republic. Last time I went to Mombasa airport there must have been a signboard somewhere along the road to the airport. The signpost clearly indicated that the road development is a gift to the Mombasa people from the British government. I had to find a site to back this up. Here it is!!. I know the article says KeNHA(GOK) contributed $10m. They must have been pushed by the Britons. Our government do not have the Mombasa people at heart. Foreign govts and organizations have to push them to make things happen. That road has been in poor state for the longest time yet it is used by tourists from all over the world.
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Swenani wrote:In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt
1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing
2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence.
Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? For the Coastal region and other regions considered to be hostile to the government, it is the later.
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Jump-steady wrote:wanyee wrote:Guys has titanium balls between his legs and a vacuum between his ears...kweli makalatas yakununua haiwes saidia same league as Babuaon mtakatiif...na Boni the truant ...makalataas ongee they can never compreherend macro economics  He just earned himself a second degree from some uni in thekaa. Though he did not attend a single class  Wacha Magufuli ...Matiang'i deals with him and his ilk the same way he delt with "human rights hero " Muangi patia jamaa a D in kcse..you cannot fake intellectualism but you can see that accross board esp with the unga cartel.on both divides wote ni sans makalatas ..or faked kina ka bufa llow ..mere wa muai/wa munene , mac munga..etc, na akina king'ole chief ..and the rest ....when will Kenyans ever learn from the nyayo error....purely attributable to kukosa makalatas. We will reach there when a considerable number of aspirants have a paper trail that is worth salt ..when we are spoilt for choice.. for now it is still diecy
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Coast has long been neglected by Central Govt partly because coast leaders were not development conscious just noise and petty politics (think kina Shariff Nassir, Mungatana etc). High poverty levels, high illiteracy , poor infrastructure have been characteristic of the region but the Kibaki vision 2030 changed things - improved road network, port modernisation, new terminals at the airport, economic zones, tax incentives to developers of hotels, planned developments & manufacturers, free primary education, SGR, rehabilitation of drug users have had an impact at the Coast. During the years of Central Government neglect, the region fell into the hands of the Indian/Arab cartels at Mombasa and the Italian cartels of Malindi/Watamu. The Indian/Arab cartels economic power is derived from port operations & associated logistics business, real estate plays, narcos... These guys literary own Mombasa, have a stronghold on the County Government. Remember these are the guys who kicked Balala out of the mayor office. Their tentacles extend to police, intelligence, KRA, anti narcotics, Judiciary, the mosques etc. Commissioner Marwa is their number 1 enemy. The central government has had a long struggle to wrestle back the coast from cartels - quelling riots, raiding mosques, raiding narcos, makueniing overlords... It is no secret whom kafana 001 represents. What the kafana needs to do is show the people of county 001 what he has done for them apart from running a parallel extortion ring at the county govt offices. Mombasa ina wenyewe. People of County 001 can relate to what I am saying. On the other hand the Central Government needs to invest heavily at the coast region because Kenya needs a strong coast to grow. Coast is the gateway to the world not only for KE but also the hinterland plus the mining, tourism and fisheries sectors have a huge potential. Life is short. Live passionately.
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urstill1 wrote:Swenani wrote:In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt
1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing
2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence.
Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? For the Coastal region and other regions considered to be hostile to the government, it is the later. Then Choho is right If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Reading the posts here and trying to reconcile with the Joho I know is very confusing. Lest we forget, Joho is a hugely popular, young, wealthy, kafana of Mombasa who is guaranteed to return for a second term Mpende Msipende. The correct question should be did Uhunye take credit thats not his to take??? "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Poor Balala, supporting the wrong side, he will have to wait for crumbs yet again. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Lets see now if he has nyees ..kanuke sasa
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KulaRaha wrote:Poor Balala, supporting the wrong side, he will have to wait for crumbs yet again. I think Balala is either a very clever or very lucky fellow. He always seems to fall on his feet no matter how badly he screws up or is screwed.
BBI will solve it :)
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Swenani wrote:urstill1 wrote:Swenani wrote:In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt
1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing
2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence.
Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? For the Coastal region and other regions considered to be hostile to the government, it is the later. Then Choho is right The wb is a monster, but generally they have an agenda, even their loans are usually pegged to certain 'issues' these are clearly made know to the host government and the latter is required to submit 'projects' that they need funding for, then the wb attaches more stringent measures for granting the same funds, but its the host government that has to submit the projects for consideration. the above happens when it comes to loans, sijui if they give grants
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:urstill1 wrote:Swenani wrote:In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt
1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing
2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence.
Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? For the Coastal region and other regions considered to be hostile to the government, it is the later. Then Choho is right The wb is a monster, but generally they have an agenda, even their loans are usually pegged to certain 'issues' these are clearly made know to the host government and the latter is required to submit 'projects' that they need funding for, then the wb attaches more stringent measures for granting the same funds, but its the host government that has to submit the projects for consideration. the above happens when it comes to loans, sijui if they give grants The same procedure also applies to grants. The WB deals with national govts and the national govt is required to apply for funds for priority projects that need financing, and the projects should be within WB focus areas. The funding then comes in the form of low interest long term loans or grants, and the govt must also pay a certain percentage towards the project cost to show it's commitment - just like commercial banks demand a down payment before they can give you a mortgage. Therefore the WB cant just go to mombasa and start building a footbridge. The national govt has to apply for the funds and justify the project, and also make a certain contribution towards the project, irrespective of whether the funding is a loan or grant. And yes its true that the WB attaches conditions to the funding, and closely monitors the projects, and disburses the funds in stages, and can cancel funding and demand a refund of funds already disbursed if a country messes up or doesnt adhere to the conditions. For instance when Baba ate the KKV funds where the WB was giving 4.3B for the Youth Empowerment Programme, the WB cancelled the funding and demanded the refund of the 970m that had already been disbursed. FYI that is the only time the WB has cancelled a project and demanded a refund, which goes to show how incompetent and thieving baba is. https://www.standardmedi...-fire-over-missing-cash
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Childish and juvenile. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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KulaRaha wrote:
Childish and juvenile.
Only an idiot would insult the CIC and still expect the CIC to continue deploying his officers to guard the said idiot. A fool should be left to wallow in his own foolishness. Ujinga has consequences.
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hardwood wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Swenani wrote:urstill1 wrote:Swenani wrote:In my limited knowledge there are two ways tthe WB works with the govt
1.Govt identifies projects and approaches WB for financing
2.WB identifies projects to finance and approaches govts for approval and concurence.
Swali ni who identified the projects Joho is talking about? For the Coastal region and other regions considered to be hostile to the government, it is the later. Then Choho is right The wb is a monster, but generally they have an agenda, even their loans are usually pegged to certain 'issues' these are clearly made know to the host government and the latter is required to submit 'projects' that they need funding for, then the wb attaches more stringent measures for granting the same funds, but its the host government that has to submit the projects for consideration. the above happens when it comes to loans, sijui if they give grants The same procedure also applies to grants. The WB deals with national govts and the national govt is required to apply for funds for priority projects that need financing, and the projects should be within WB focus areas. The funding then comes in the form of low interest long term loans or grants, and the govt must also pay a certain percentage towards the project cost to show it's commitment - just like commercial banks demand a down payment before they can give you a mortgage. Therefore the WB cant just go to mombasa and start building a footbridge. The national govt has to apply for the funds and justify the project, and also make a certain contribution towards the project, irrespective of whether the funding is a loan or grant. And yes its true that the WB attaches conditions to the funding, and closely monitors the projects, and disburses the funds in stages, and can cancel funding and demand a refund of funds already disbursed if a country messes up or doesnt adhere to the conditions. For instance when Baba ate the KKV funds where the WB was giving 4.3B for the Youth Empowerment Programme, the WB cancelled the funding and demanded the refund of the 970m that had already been disbursed. FYI that is the only time the WB has cancelled a project and demanded a refund, which goes to show how incompetent and thieving baba is.https://www.standardmedi...-fire-over-missing-cash
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hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:
Childish and juvenile.
Only an idiot would insult the CIC and still expect the CIC to continue deploying his officers to guard the said idiot. A fool should be left to wallow in his own foolishness. Ujinga has consequences. Joho didnt insult anybody. He just stated the truth,that Bored and idle whilst holidaying on taxpayers money in Mombasa when the rest of the country has resumed work, President Uhuru Kenyatta asked to open a dead project, conceptualised in 2010,by the world bank and funded by the world bank via loan(not grant) Whats clear is the jubilee is now jubaland,this year they will get very little votes from the coast It childish and lack of sense to withdraw Joho's security. When you do that, voters see it and come the ballot, they will vote Jubaland out. When uhuru went to Nyeri recently, he wiped out coffee loans to farmers, when he was in Mombasa he said those squatters will have to cough each 100k its this kind of double standards that will make Uhuru lose this year , and if he dares to steal, then katanuka!!!!
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faa wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:
Childish and juvenile.
Only an idiot would insult the CIC and still expect the CIC to continue deploying his officers to guard the said idiot. A fool should be left to wallow in his own foolishness. Ujinga has consequences. Joho didnt insult anybody. He just stated the truth,that Bored and idle whilst holidaying on taxpayers money in Mombasa when the rest of the country has resumed work, President Uhuru Kenyatta asked to open a dead project, conceptualised in 2010,by the world bank and funded by the world bank via loan(not grant) Whats clear is the jubilee is now jubaland,this year they will get very little votes from the coast It childish and lack of sense to withdraw Joho's security. When you do that, voters see it and come the ballot, they will vote Jubaland out. When uhuru went to Nyeri recently, he wiped out coffee loans to farmers, when he was in Mombasa he said those squatters will have to cough each 100k its this kind of double standards that will make Uhuru lose this year , and if he dares to steal, then katanuka!!!! This Kibaki/ World Bank project... They should asked Kibaki and the World Bank president to open it then. Life is short. Live passionately.
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hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:
Childish and juvenile.
Only an idiot would insult the CIC and still expect the CIC to continue deploying his officers to guard the said idiot. A fool should be left to wallow in his own foolishness. Ujinga has consequences. A basic rule of power is that you should never offend a man of power, moreso when that man has gone to Vague and back. Choho should know better esp given the kind of company he keeps in his clean businesses. Life is short. Live passionately.
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sparkly wrote:faa wrote:hardwood wrote:KulaRaha wrote:
Childish and juvenile.
Only an idiot would insult the CIC and still expect the CIC to continue deploying his officers to guard the said idiot. A fool should be left to wallow in his own foolishness. Ujinga has consequences. Joho didnt insult anybody. He just stated the truth,that Bored and idle whilst holidaying on taxpayers money in Mombasa when the rest of the country has resumed work, President Uhuru Kenyatta asked to open a dead project, conceptualised in 2010,by the world bank and funded by the world bank via loan(not grant) Whats clear is the jubilee is now jubaland,this year they will get very little votes from the coast It childish and lack of sense to withdraw Joho's security. When you do that, voters see it and come the ballot, they will vote Jubaland out. When uhuru went to Nyeri recently, he wiped out coffee loans to farmers, when he was in Mombasa he said those squatters will have to cough each 100k its this kind of double standards that will make Uhuru lose this year , and if he dares to steal, then katanuka!!!! This Kibaki/ World Bank project... They should asked Kibaki and the World Bank president to open it then. When Kibaki retired, he handed over the instruments of the presidency to Uhuru. Kibaki is not paying up the loan, its the people/govt of Kenya The argument was so foolish...but since we're D material, that is what will fascinate us for days. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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