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Young people, perish the thought of revolution because it's an impossibility.
What makes 'Revolution' an impossibility? 1. Revolution, being a going or returning to a begining, takes the concept of 'time' in too circular a fashion. But time isn't circular in itself. Even the seasons are a chance occurrence repeated over and over but so precariously.
2. Revolution, in attempting to destroy the old order, turns against itself because even when revolutionary rhetoric is against the status quo, the words, the signs used have inherited the status quo's characteristics. A Revolution requires a semiotic blank; but this isn't a possible state.
Napoleone is an example of Revolution being taken to its logical conclusion. In failing to grasp the promise of Revolution, the French, and the holy cousins sacrificed their son on the altar of order.
The American Revolution failed when they joined the second world war.
What of the Cuban Revolution? It too must fall. A global connection and system is inimical to them. Obama struck Cuba a blow by easing hostility. There's no point of fighting the Cubans. That's why even the North Koreans need to impose sanctions on themselves.
So even here in Kenya we must not fantasize of revolutionary change. Instead we must learn to work with the realities we have to create new ones.
For example, we must not rely on an anti-corruption agency to deal with corruption, but we may need to form anti-corruption networks that can counter corruption networks.
Reliance on agencies is a fallacy that escalates Revolutionary fantasies, while at the same time, and paradoxically, these agencies gain more power while citizens lose their own power.
And @maka despairs, and alma and the rest. And that's what the system of the agencies wants!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:In English please. Physics can now allow us to understand the wave particle nature of matter, and how these wave particals interact with each other. For example, how is it possible for particles to exhibit say, Pauli exclusion? A simple answer would be that each quantum state is a sign for other particles. That is, a wave particle must always be a superposition of possibilities. A superposition of signs then can allow a universal sign system that then can allow something like, 'quantum tunneling' where a wave particle can change position without displacement. So if everything is connected to the other via a sign system, and that each wave particle is a superposition of possibilities then events will tend to happens in probability clusters or 'clouds'. If one persists within a probability cloud for long enough, he might ascribe permanence to his experience and may even try to create an equation or law, like seasonality. But an enlightened model would perceive such predictability as a probable event by itself and would avoid putting too much trust on the laws that appear to be verified. Revolution depends on the law that for example planetary motion is such that the planet will move around and start again from a hypothetical position. This physical model is now outdated. With events like 'emergence' there are many 'things' or 'states' that can't go back where they started and retain their present states. That is, a sign will always have a context that supports and validates it. And that context must always imply the opposition of the sign. Hence Revolution is a concequence of being a reactionary. Revolution can't, by virtue of its nature, create.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Creativity needs conformity and acceptance of situations. Not through denial.
Using the example of corruption again: Linear thinking would state that an agency designated by a government would be able to stem corruption. But from physics we have seen that events or states, are actually networks of other events and states. So anti-corruption must also be a network of events and states that make corruption less probable.
Revolutionary thinking would consider 'stamping out corruption' through isolated/individualized prosecution and punishment. Purges.
Revolutionary thinking can only attain the most superficial of objectives.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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I concur.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:I concur. To concur; to agree... does mean 'merging'. Identity? It's interesting when one thinks of Identity as a merging of different elements to one. That I am, the universe. It seems that concurrence is trivial because it's always been there, even within difference. More important is spontaneity or volatility. And maybe the capacity to control energy levels.
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tycho wrote:aemathenge wrote:In English please. Physics can now allow us to understand the wave particle nature of matter, and how these wave particals interact with each other. For example, how is it possible for particles to exhibit say, Pauli exclusion? A simple answer would be that each quantum state is a sign for other particles. That is, a wave particle must always be a superposition of possibilities. A superposition of signs then can allow a universal sign system that then can allow something like, 'quantum tunneling' where a wave particle can change position without displacement. So if everything is connected to the other via a sign system, and that each wave particle is a superposition of possibilities then events will tend to happens in probability clusters or 'clouds'. If one persists within a probability cloud for long enough, he might ascribe permanence to his experience and may even try to create an equation or law, like seasonality. But an enlightened model would perceive such predictability as a probable event by itself and would avoid putting too much trust on the laws that appear to be verified. Revolution depends on the law that for example planetary motion is such that the planet will move around and start again from a hypothetical position. This physical model is now outdated. With events like 'emergence' there are many 'things' or 'states' that can't go back where they started and retain their present states. That is, a sign will always have a context that supports and validates it. And that context must always imply the opposition of the sign. Hence Revolution is a concequence of being a reactionary. Revolution can't, by virtue of its nature, create. Well done Tycho. It seems like you are finally getting it. Now if only you had arrived at this reasoning so many months back.... But of course there is a limit to which quantum mechanical principles can explain something as messy as politics. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, what are the limits to which quantum mechanics can explain 'politics', and what do you mean by 'messy'?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, what are the limits to which quantum mechanics can explain 'politics', and what do you mean by 'messy'?
For starters, Quantum Mechanics is a body of math models, and mathematics is a very precise business. Only parallels are possible but one can't model the other and vice versa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, what are the limits to which quantum mechanics can explain 'politics', and what do you mean by 'messy'?
For starters, Quantum Mechanics is a body of math models, and mathematics is a very precise business. Only parallels are possible but one can't model the other and vice versa. Fortunately, I've been looking at the essence of mathematics- ok, mostly 'Principia' - Russell and Whitehead. And, there are two important that have so far emerged: what exactly is mathematics? and, how is it used in real life? The secret to what mathematics is perhaps revealed in how a 'number' is defined. A number is a measure of a class of objects. This implies two things; mathematics is a language, and that is used for measuring the universe. Now, notwithstanding the fact that politics is part of the 'universe', there's something about quantum meçhanics, that we seem to ignore. And this is that everything in the universe is energetically connected, and that's why mathematics is in fact possible. So maybe the problem is how to measure political activity, something which a moment of reflection, will show as something very possible. We only have to understand the language that measures and connects all languages. And politics too is a language. Finally, quantum mechanics is highly probabilistic. The precision you're talking about is a fantasy. If, we've been living a quantum universe all along, then the universe works like a quantum computer... not forgeting that this isn't all about the universe.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, what are the limits to which quantum mechanics can explain 'politics', and what do you mean by 'messy'?
For starters, Quantum Mechanics is a body of math models, and mathematics is a very precise business. Only parallels are possible but one can't model the other and vice versa. Fortunately, I've been looking at the essence of mathematics- ok, mostly 'Principia' - Russell and Whitehead. And, there are two important that have so far emerged: what exactly is mathematics? and, how is it used in real life? The secret to what mathematics is perhaps revealed in how a 'number' is defined. A number is a measure of a class of objects. This implies two things; mathematics is a language, and that is used for measuring the universe. Now, notwithstanding the fact that politics is part of the 'universe', there's something about quantum meçhanics, that we seem to ignore. And this is that everything in the universe is energetically connected, and that's why mathematics is in fact possible. So maybe the problem is how to measure political activity, something which a moment of reflection, will show as something very possible. We only have to understand the language that measures and connects all languages. And politics too is a language. Finally, quantum mechanics is highly probabilistic. The precision you're talking about is a fantasy. If, we've been living a quantum universe all along, then the universe works like a quantum computer... not forgeting that this isn't all about the universe. Politics...is the sum, or aggregation, or a crosscut of life-forces; Our current science does not understand life force, it can't quantify or isolate it, though it has identified constituent physical processes or elements (like quantum mechanics) which if they stop or go wrong on a big enough scale, the life force of the entity ceases to exist. A biological body can be firing, metabolism, neural activity, but there is no life force ..if life is extinct there is no politics. See? Till we understand this, many meta physical questions will be elusive to answer.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I admit that science may have failed to quantify, or describe 'life force'. But this may be a blessing to us.
If we can know what mathematics is, then we can know what science is. Basically, science is the affirmation of expression in reality. Science follows mathematics.
So, that which science hasn't shown, mathematics hasn't expressed. But Mathematics not expressing a state, relation, transition, or event is a limitation met in all languages. It's a morphological and even experiential issue.
Perhaps to make my contribution on 'life force' I can present a hypothesis, which alas, seems to fit: 'life force' is an emergent feature of some quantum states interacting in a system.
In a universe teeming with possibilities, 'life force' is the experience of transitions, moreso those which appear as permanent.
Thankfully, the IBM simulator may be accessible to us and facilitate exploration of such a hypothesis.
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