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Masukuma,I tried to follow the hackers story but it was not making sense.Now that the TNA database and the IEBC databse were in the same data centre,was the hacker claiming they were copying data from TNA db and updating it to IEBC db through an SQL script? Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:Let's place things in perspective....Now DISCUSS.
I was reaching a point of exasperation, and then I happened to have clicked on Season One Episode One instead of one of the world’s favourites; Season Three Episode One. Right from day one, Special Agent Donald Ressler is the butt of many a joke from Mr. Reddington. This is because Agent Ressler is a stickler for the straight and narrow and presumes everyone else does the same. I hope you and Citizens have watched Season One and perhaps the rest of the series. Because I am about to have my fun too. You might want to talk to Clerks who have actually worked as Polling Clerks in “Strong Hold Areas” between 6 am and 6 pm who later become Counting Clerks after having their dinner. Out there, there is evidence of rigging. Or is there? Kirinyaga District Erectoral Commission of Kenya Office Headquarters was burnt to the ground. Twice. What was that story about where Kenyatta University “students” destroyed erectoral materials stored within the campus? Grab some popcorn. Perspective. The cheek. I am not talking about the polling station - each polling station is different! right? strong holds have their challenges but these challenges should not be extrapolated to be challenges on the whole process. The straight and narrow has been devised to cater for most of the challenges you are talking about. how? each candidate in running is supposed to have his/her agent in situ. elections are stakeholder things. On the KU thingy. I never understood the claim, possibly because i know the process. Let me ask - right! there were 'rumors' of electoral materials being destroyed in KU... ok? in whose custody were these materials? if there was a petition and a judge ordered to have the thing that happened to Kethi's case - how would it be done? these things are sealed with a tamper evident seal and there is no way of opening them - monkeying around with stuff then closing them again. if that happened on your watch - utaona chamtema kuni. Kuna jamaa ako na kesi ya conspiracy to steal a registration slip worth 5/=. Let me ask... so has anyone thought of a scenario where you actually get 100% of persons who registered to vote 'showing up' to vote? eh? it could be some flag on some database in there that says "verified". <- set all to 'true'. Eh? coz u trust the tech too much. what if it tells you that's the case? Utajua aje it's not? if you don't trust the IEBC to conduct this election there is no way you can justify to yourself that 'the result was legit'. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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masukuma wrote:
I am not talking about the polling station - each polling station is different! right?
Now I begin to grasp your perspective. You are not worried about the trees. It is the forest that gives you sleepless nights. Perhaps I will not have to quote Mr. Reddington, Agent Ressler and Keen after all.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:
I am not talking about the polling station - each polling station is different! right?
Now I begin to grasp your perspective. You are not worried about the trees. It is the forest that gives you sleepless nights. Perhaps I will not have to quote Mr. Reddington, Agent Ressler and Keen after all. you cannot speak for all polling stations. I remember the discussions that were happening during the Malindi and Kericho by-elections. when results from Kericho "a county" were being transmitted "faster" than what Malindi was transmitting. I kept on saying... each polling station is unique. it's like your house... if 100 houses are given tasks to do 'within their compounds' e.g. cook, feed the babies, wash them, get them ready for sleep. Why would we think the area with 100 houses will finish the task faster than that with 1000 houses? the numerical number outside the house neither makes the process within one house faster or slower. what matters is the participants in that house. do you have problematic children, do you have mboch anajivuta? your mboch's speed of cooking has nothing to do with how many other mboches are cooking in her vicinity. So polling stations are ALL UNIQUE. what happens in their locality is unique. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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My question is, how can we as a country have one credible voter register? Is it possible in Africa? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:My question is, how can we as a country have one credible voter register? Is it possible in Africa? we actually had a credible register in 2013! regardless of what you may have had. it was credible. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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check these out https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149?
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
and AN IMPLEMENTATION http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
https://entertainment.sl...nds-a-practical-purpose
there have been packet losses due to due to hawks and ospreys All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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masukuma wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:My question is, how can we as a country have one credible voter register? Is it possible in Africa? we actually had a credible register in 2013! regardless of what you may have had. it was credible. We DO have a credible register.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:masukuma wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:My question is, how can we as a country have one credible voter register? Is it possible in Africa? we actually had a credible register in 2013! regardless of what you may have had. it was credible. We DO have a credible register. yes... as of 2013. yes. it was a couple of months old. few deceased people. it was biometric and duplicates were removed. the only issues as I said was the 45k persons without biometrics who represented 0.3% of the register of voters. I am not sure of it's credibility now. KPMG watatuambia. there was an audit of the register done by IED (ile ya Brian Weke) and gave it a 99% accuracy. so... it's possible. regardless of the noises made by people who lost in the process. Normally ( sorry for getting technical). A register is checked on a couple of things 1) accuracy - that @swenani is there and that his data is as he wants it (this is a sampling exercise) and also uses feedback from the inspection process. this is also measured by checking if there are people who are 'improbable' like huge numbers of persons over 100 years old, people in polling stations that are ophaned or are not in the gazetted list of polling stations e.t.c. 2) that it's comprehensive - it contains data that can uniquely identify @swenani for the purpose of voting and another aspect is that it contains as many people as possible who wanted/wished to vote 3) that it's current - that it adds people who come of age and removes ineligible people (based on the law) i.e. deceased persons. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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America believes that Russia interfered with their elections, why cant alshabab? Do you remember they killed over 50 at westgate and were not caught for days? If they are blowing base stations in Wajir, God knows what else they can do "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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The biggest problem with Kenya's elections is that they have been turned into a baba affair, that is, how to make him win to the exclusion of the other 40m Kenyans. That is why we are forced to keep changing the referees, equipment, BVRs etc etc to see if he can win. Does this mean that no credible elections were ever held the world over before the computer age? How come MCAs, Mps, senators, governors and even all presidential contestants were happy with the process and accepted the results except baba? For how long will he demand that goal posts be moved and ref changed to help him score? Kenyan elections should be about us 40m people not just one perennially losing candidate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:Masukuma,I tried to follow the hackers story but it was not making sense.Now that the TNA database and the IEBC databse were in the same data centre,was the hacker claiming they were copying data from TNA db and updating it to IEBC db through an SQL script?  and you are a bright guy! so the hacker narrative is 'i hacked into the IEBC database, it was hosted at Kencall and TNA were also using it. so TNA would add data on one side and since i can log out and log in as the IEBC user i am able to see the same data and thus IEBC=TNA and TNA=IEBC' <- kwa ufupi. This is to you the smart guy bado uko na maswali huelewi. so try looking at the story with the eyes of a proper wanjiku... your mum or a nduthi rider - anaona nini? right? the technology debate is always riddled with so many terms e.t.c people get lost in the narrative and when people get lost - they look to their authorities. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Do they also vote at Google? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Planning for failure, not success
that's the narrative that is missing - WHAT HAPPENS WHEN (NOT IF) IT FAILS is what we need to be asking ourselves. How do you ensure that the 'core business' is not affected. for that to happen we need to figure out 'what is our core business' during elections? then build 'efficiency' around it. We will miss the point if we approach it from a different angle. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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I feel the crux of the matter is voter identification. Someone does not want electronic identification, everything else is irrelevant. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:I feel the crux of the matter is voter identification. Someone does not want electronic identification, everything else is irrelevant.
it is. I have written a 'note' on it. check it out and give feedback All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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masukuma wrote:KulaRaha wrote:I feel the crux of the matter is voter identification. Someone does not want electronic identification, everything else is irrelevant.
it is. I have written a 'note' on it. check it out and give feedback makovizi i agreez you @makovizi is become famous
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