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Moses Kuria's "Stand Your Ground" Bill
hardwood
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:01:42 PM
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I support the bill.

http://www.the-star.co.k...elf-defence-in_c1472471

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Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria has proposed a law that will allow citizens to defend themselves in case of political violence.

“The bill will supplement existing national measures that entitle every person to freedom and security,” Kuria said in his letter.

He said the proposed legislation, popular in the US, aims to protect life and property. “The principle of giving civilians a legal framework within which they can engage and combat crime first, deters crime and reduces unnecessary loss of life and wanton destruction of property,” Kuria said.

He said the doctrine behind a stand-your-ground law – sometimes called “line in the sand” or “no duty to retreat law” – is a justification in a criminal case.

“A threatened individual can stand their ground and use otherwise unlawful force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats and protect property as well,” Kuria says.

He cited laws in the US and Ireland, where there is no duty to retreat from any place where someone has a lawful right to be, and that the person can use any level of force if he reasonably believes the threat rises to the level of being an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death or loss of property.

“After some research, I realised as a country we can further improve our security situation by employing other strategies that are effective, cheap and easily supplement the existing measures,” Kuria says.

“One such strategy is a legal civilian deterrence mechanism that gives the masses the locus to stand up against criminal elements within a legally defined framework.”
chemirocha
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:14:46 PM
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hardwood wrote:
I support the bill.

http://www.the-star.co.k...elf-defence-in_c1472471

Quote:
Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria has proposed a law that will allow citizens to defend themselves in case of political violence.

“The bill will supplement existing national measures that entitle every person to freedom and security,” Kuria said in his letter.

He said the proposed legislation, popular in the US, aims to protect life and property. “The principle of giving civilians a legal framework within which they can engage and combat crime first, deters crime and reduces unnecessary loss of life and wanton destruction of property,” Kuria said.

He said the doctrine behind a stand-your-ground law – sometimes called “line in the sand” or “no duty to retreat law” – is a justification in a criminal case.

“A threatened individual can stand their ground and use otherwise unlawful force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats and protect property as well,” Kuria says.

He cited laws in the US and Ireland, where there is no duty to retreat from any place where someone has a lawful right to be, and that the person can use any level of force if he reasonably believes the threat rises to the level of being an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death or loss of property.

“After some research, I realised as a country we can further improve our security situation by employing other strategies that are effective, cheap and easily supplement the existing measures,” Kuria says.

“One such strategy is a legal civilian deterrence mechanism that gives the masses the locus to stand up against criminal elements within a legally defined framework.”


What is being implied by this bill? Legalising vigilantes and mobs?
Angelica _ann
#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:24:19 PM
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Jokes, better be a coward and run and live, than be cheated ati stand your ground!!!!!
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Swenani
#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:31:30 PM
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hardwood wrote:
I support the bill.

http://www.the-star.co.k...elf-defence-in_c1472471

Quote:
Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria has proposed a law that will allow citizens to defend themselves in case of political violence.

“The bill will supplement existing national measures that entitle every person to freedom and security,” Kuria said in his letter.

He said the proposed legislation, popular in the US, aims to protect life and property. “The principle of giving civilians a legal framework within which they can engage and combat crime first, deters crime and reduces unnecessary loss of life and wanton destruction of property,” Kuria said.

He said the doctrine behind a stand-your-ground law – sometimes called “line in the sand” or “no duty to retreat law” – is a justification in a criminal case.

“A threatened individual can stand their ground and use otherwise unlawful force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats and protect property as well,” Kuria says.

He cited laws in the US and Ireland, where there is no duty to retreat from any place where someone has a lawful right to be, and that the person can use any level of force if he reasonably believes the threat rises to the level of being an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death or loss of property.

“After some research, I realised as a country we can further improve our security situation by employing other strategies that are effective, cheap and easily supplement the existing measures,” Kuria says.

“One such strategy is a legal civilian deterrence mechanism that gives the masses the locus to stand up against criminal elements within a legally defined framework.”


So we can only defend ourselves only incase of political violence.

So we are legislating and validating political violence?
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KulaRaha
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:33:10 PM
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so if cops come to beat you at rallies, just shoot them?
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Bigchick
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:51:07 PM
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Ignore the fool.

We must all stand our ground against Kuria and his evil thoughts.
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hardwood
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 2:54:46 PM
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Swenani wrote:
hardwood wrote:
I support the bill.

http://www.the-star.co.k...elf-defence-in_c1472471

Quote:
Gatundu South MP Moses Kuria has proposed a law that will allow citizens to defend themselves in case of political violence.

“The bill will supplement existing national measures that entitle every person to freedom and security,” Kuria said in his letter.

He said the proposed legislation, popular in the US, aims to protect life and property. “The principle of giving civilians a legal framework within which they can engage and combat crime first, deters crime and reduces unnecessary loss of life and wanton destruction of property,” Kuria said.

He said the doctrine behind a stand-your-ground law – sometimes called “line in the sand” or “no duty to retreat law” – is a justification in a criminal case.

“A threatened individual can stand their ground and use otherwise unlawful force without retreating, in order to protect and defend themselves or others against threats or perceived threats and protect property as well,” Kuria says.

He cited laws in the US and Ireland, where there is no duty to retreat from any place where someone has a lawful right to be, and that the person can use any level of force if he reasonably believes the threat rises to the level of being an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death or loss of property.

“After some research, I realised as a country we can further improve our security situation by employing other strategies that are effective, cheap and easily supplement the existing measures,” Kuria says.

“One such strategy is a legal civilian deterrence mechanism that gives the masses the locus to stand up against criminal elements within a legally defined framework.”


So we can only defend ourselves only incase of political violence.

So we are legislating and validating political violence?


Not just political violence but also all other forms of violence. Eg when a thug bursts into your house threatening to harm you and family you can deal with him live live instead of screaming and waiting for the police to arrive and deal with him. In the current law you can be charged with causing harm to the thug and taking the law into your hands. Also if thugs confront you coz you voted for X, you do not run away, you "stand your ground". If the law has worked in the US and other western countries it can work here.
masukuma
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:04:14 PM
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I have always liked the 'stand your ground' concept. As i discussed elsewhere we are so into a system that we forgot the reason the system is as is. Rights, Laws, rights e.t.c are good ideas that we have to follow... things like due process, 'not taking the law into your own hands' e.t.c. had good intention to ensure that both sides are subjected to 'the law' but what has happened now is that it's the assailed that is punished for protecting his life and property. I say - pea kila mtu gun... tutaheshimiana!! saa hii it's just the Karao (who is to protect you) and the assailant (who wants to infringe on your 'rights') who have guns. The subject matter of both hana!! you have to rely on the mercy of the assailants or the speedy response of the police (who sometimes turn assailants) to spare your life.

but no law or right can bring your life back so - jipange!!
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Angelica _ann
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:09:06 PM
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masukuma wrote:
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but no law or right can bring your life back so - jipange!!

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By the way, that MK law feels like its genesis is political violence at the Presidential level (Raira vs Uhuruto) ...... Okay worse violence is at grassroots levels where watu hata wanajuana
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FRM2011
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 14, 2016 3:10:32 PM
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A few days ago, the gema community in eldoret wanted to install their new chairman at the 64 stadium. The host community was not amused and the governor, mandago, didn't mince his words.

Above example is a snapshot of the delicate inter-ethnic relations. Only a fool like kuria would come up with such a crazy idea. That rather than prevent violence, we get ready for it.
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