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2012
#1 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 11:16:17 AM
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Apathy: noun; lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.


I think it is safe to predict that the voter turn out in 2017 will be below 43%.

The question is, which side will this favour? Who will have the best strategy? At the moment,I believe this scenario favours the super alliance most... Your thoughts?

BBI will solve it
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wukan
#2 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 11:53:37 AM
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voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off
masukuma
#3 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 12:55:08 PM
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wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off

Voter apathy is an assessment. This is usually taken from voter turnout. Voter turnout is a fraction and a fraction has two ways of altering it
1) increase/decrease of the numerator - this is the political interest factor. are people interested? if they are - it increases.

2) increase/decrease of the denominator - this is the voter base we are calculating using. the older the register the higher the number of deceased persons in there. regardless of what theory you have in your head right now on "how to remove deceased voters in a registry" it's never 100% effective. so old registers for example the 2002 register had lots of dead people and while the climate was politically charged - it was not reflected in the turnout coz the denominator was too big. in 2013 the register was a couple of months old and thus quite representative of the country. an audit by IED gave it a 99% accuracy label.
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FRM2011
#4 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 1:00:52 PM
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wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?
wukan
#5 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 1:41:30 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?


2005 referendum turnout was 52% (dirty register i.e. dead voters adjust for that still comes to around 65%)
2010 referendum turnout was 72% (clean register)

2012
#6 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:00:04 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?



I 2002 'yote yawezekana bila Moi' had the best turn out???

BBI will solve it
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masukuma
#7 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:00:14 PM
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wukan wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?


2005 referendum turnout was 52% (dirty register i.e. dead voters adjust for that still comes to around 65%)
2010 referendum turnout was 72% (clean register)


@FRM2011 - i beat you to answering the question. the 72% turnout in 2010 was also due to a large consensus. it would have been higher if the Kyuks and Luos were in different sides. it happened that the climate was not as charged as 2005 and thus in predominantly YES zones we could have had an average turnout but 'No' zones must have had a spike (I have no data to prove this but i think if we dig it up we will find it to be factual). But I could be wrong!
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FRM2011
#8 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 5:53:49 PM
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2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?



I 2002 'yote yawezekana bila Moi' had the best turn out???



@2012, my thoughts exactly. The Uhuru park rallies were super charged. "Yote yawezekana bila moi" and unbwogable.

Also the supercharged 2005 banana/orange referendum. Apparently it had the lowest turnout.
masukuma
#9 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:38:32 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
wukan wrote:
voter turnout has always hovered around 65%. The elections with the worst apathy was 2002 with turnout at 57%. The turnout in 2013 was unusual at 85% and it's unlikely to be repeated. The only other high turnout was in 1992. With normal turnout of 65% which you call apathy, jubilee still wins at the run-off



@masukuma can you kindly put these figures in perspective. Why woukd 2002 record the lowest turnout? Thought that's the election when we were all fired up.

How do the 2005 referendum figures compare with the 2007 turnout ? 2010/2013 ?



I 2002 'yote yawezekana bila Moi' had the best turn out???



@2012, my thoughts exactly. The Uhuru park rallies were super charged. "Yote yawezekana bila moi" and unbwogable.

Also the supercharged 2005 banana/orange referendum. Apparently it had the lowest turnout.

it's the denominator that misled the people doing the measurement
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kaka2za
#10 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2016 6:40:25 PM
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What matters is the turnout in particular areas.
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Swenani
#11 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:12:15 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
What matters is the turnout in nithi.

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kaka2za
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2016 2:30:44 PM
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We are investing billions in the next elections while simple marbles did the trick in The Gambia
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masukuma
#13 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2016 2:57:27 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
We are investing billions in the next elections while simple marbles did the trick in The Gambia

I have always argued that "technology does not solve problems however THINKING SOLVES PROBLEMS" having said that do we even understand how marbles were introduced there? what kind of buy in they have? what problem they are solving? do we have the same problem? what about recounts? the whole legal stack of things? What happens when you have 40+ candidates like we do have in Kisii? just think about the dynamics around an election.
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FRM2011
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 10:35:56 AM
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Ghana went into elections yesterday. The main issues were corruption and economic stagnation.

The ruling party's stronghold, a region they call Volta, has registered very low voter turnout.

The opposition candidate us 72, the incumbent is 52.

At the moment opposition candidate is leading vote count @54%.

FRM2011
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 11:13:35 AM
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With 60% of the votes in, Nana Addo, the opposition leader is leading with 53% of the votes. He has swept Accra.

This is his third attempt.

Short of pulling a pnu 2007 vote grab, this is gone.
kaka2za
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 11:50:37 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
With 60% of the votes in, Nana Addo, the opposition leader is leading with 53% of the votes. He has swept Accra.

This is his third attempt.

Short of pulling a pnu 2007 vote grab, this is gone.



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