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New education system: failure before start
sitaki.kujulikana
#21 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:35:06 PM
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tycho wrote:

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So, for example, children should be trained on tools like critical thinking, research, community sustainance, technology and manufacture- robotics ...



.. but kids are taught all that, their critical thinking is vigorously taught in literature, they have practical sessions in labs and participate in science congress forums, they are taught social studies and for most are forced to mix with kids from other communities especially at high school level, they are introduced to some technology education from an early age especially with the school laptop thing.
radio
#22 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:38:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
I'd prefer a model in which pre-schoolers and early primary school students were taught by professors via stories, practical projects and trips. Upper primary to secondary school to be taught by graduates, and tertiary education by P1 teachers... if we truly want to cultivate thinking...


Are the professors the only thinkers?

From my observations majority of our professors aren't.
tycho
#23 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:03:18 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
tycho wrote:

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So, for example, children should be trained on tools like critical thinking, research, community sustainance, technology and manufacture- robotics ...



.. but kids are taught all that, their critical thinking is vigorously taught in literature, they have practical sessions in labs and participate in science congress forums, they are taught social studies and for most are forced to mix with kids from other communities especially at high school level, they are introduced to some technology education from an early age especially with the school laptop thing.


No. I don't think kids are taught critical thinking when for example, they're studying literature. I think, at least, when I was in school, what we had was more of reading, and comprehension skills, and there was emphasis on language archtecture and art.

Critical thinking, stems from awareness of the self and how it extends outwards. It drives critical living. Children, say at 14, can choose their own literature projects because a certain book has something which they experience as a description of their living experience.

Technology education is not about lap tops per se, but of relation among subjects, materials, and needs and how materials can be interacted with to meet certain needs. Science congress to me is a parody of technology education, if one considers how it's structured and how it's sustained.

Critical thinking is like mathematical thinking. How we understand mathematics and develop it is crucial to our existence. So, for me, we may be on the right path, but not optimally so.

tycho
#24 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:05:30 PM
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radio wrote:
tycho wrote:
I'd prefer a model in which pre-schoolers and early primary school students were taught by professors via stories, practical projects and trips. Upper primary to secondary school to be taught by graduates, and tertiary education by P1 teachers... if we truly want to cultivate thinking...


Are the professors the only thinkers?

From my observations majority of our professors aren't.


Certainly not. There might be more thinkers than professors I think.
Fullykenyan
#25 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:09:42 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I have had a chance of working with interns, I can tell you the current system is churning out very half-baked graduates. Imagine a university graduate who can't write a cheque in words and figures correctly!


Last time i was at home, i realised a big difference between a european teenager and a kenyan teenager.You can discuss almost everything with a european teenager, the same cannot be said of our teenagers. I had a feeling our kids are ten years behind. They are shy, lack decorum and manners and cant express themselves coherently.There is also a huge difference between 8.4.4 graduates and graduates from that old system. Guys from the old system are more sure of themselves and possess survival skills that our kids lack

wacha bias

Did you try discussing with the kenyan teenager in their mother toungue, did you discuss with the kenyan teenager about baba and uk, shida you are discussing with a Kenyan teenager in a foreign language about foreign issues, of course they will falter, try discussing with that european kid in swahili and ask them about issues africa.



Hapana Bias hapa. What makes you think, i was not talking to them in Kiswahili? You are right, the only thing most kids here know is about Baba and Uhuru and the discussions are also very superficial. I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work. They can´t speak proper kiswahili nor can they speak proper english
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#26 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:55:24 AM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I have had a chance of working with interns, I can tell you the current system is churning out very half-baked graduates. Imagine a university graduate who can't write a cheque in words and figures correctly!


Last time i was at home, i realised a big difference between a european teenager and a kenyan teenager.You can discuss almost everything with a european teenager, the same cannot be said of our teenagers. I had a feeling our kids are ten years behind. They are shy, lack decorum and manners and cant express themselves coherently.There is also a huge difference between 8.4.4 graduates and graduates from that old system. Guys from the old system are more sure of themselves and possess survival skills that our kids lack

wacha bias

Did you try discussing with the kenyan teenager in their mother toungue, did you discuss with the kenyan teenager about baba and uk, shida you are discussing with a Kenyan teenager in a foreign language about foreign issues, of course they will falter, try discussing with that european kid in swahili and ask them about issues africa.



Hapana Bias hapa. What makes you think, i was not talking to them in Kiswahili? You are right, the only thing most kids here know is about Baba and Uhuru and the discussions are also very superficial. I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work. They can´t speak proper kiswahili nor can they speak proper english


So whom are you comparing the Kenyan kids with?Is it the ignorant Americans who think Africa is one country? What you are basically doing is grading the intelligence of a Fish,an Elephant and a Monkey on their ability to climb a tree.Obviously you know who the genius is.When we seek to review our education system,we should not compare with other countries especially the developed world because the circumstances,challenges etc that learners are exposed to are different.What we need is to ensure that our Kids remain competitive in the global market and most of all they are able to develop the country.
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:43:10 AM
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guard wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I have had a chance of working with interns, I can tell you the current system is churning out very half-baked graduates. Imagine a university graduate who can't write a cheque in words and figures correctly!


Last time i was at home, i realised a big difference between a european teenager and a kenyan teenager.You can discuss almost everything with a european teenager, the same cannot be said of our teenagers. I had a feeling our kids are ten years behind. They are shy, lack decorum and manners and cant express themselves coherently.There is also a huge difference between 8.4.4 graduates and graduates from that old system. Guys from the old system are more sure of themselves and possess survival skills that our kids lack

wacha bias

Did you try discussing with the kenyan teenager in their mother toungue, did you discuss with the kenyan teenager about baba and uk, shida you are discussing with a Kenyan teenager in a foreign language about foreign issues, of course they will falter, try discussing with that european kid in swahili and ask them about issues africa.



Hapana Bias hapa. What makes you think, i was not talking to them in Kiswahili? You are right, the only thing most kids here know is about Baba and Uhuru and the discussions are also very superficial. I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work. They can´t speak proper kiswahili nor can they speak proper english


So whom are you comparing the Kenyan kids with?Is it the ignorant Americans who think Africa is one country? What you are basically doing is grading the intelligence of a Fish,an Elephant and a Monkey on their ability to climb a tree.Obviously you know who the genius is.When we seek to review our education system,we should not compare with other countries especially the developed world because the circumstances,challenges etc that learners are exposed to are different.What we need is to ensure that our Kids remain competitive in the global market and most of all they are able to develop the country.


kwanza he should tell us what he was doing with teenagers discussing such matters?
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I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work.


Even the blue section guys cannot discuss these things intelligently without linking it to RAO and Kamwana
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Anti_Burglar
#28 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:37:52 AM
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Swenani wrote:
guard wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
newfarer wrote:
I have had a chance of working with interns, I can tell you the current system is churning out very half-baked graduates. Imagine a university graduate who can't write a cheque in words and figures correctly!


Last time i was at home, i realised a big difference between a european teenager and a kenyan teenager.You can discuss almost everything with a european teenager, the same cannot be said of our teenagers. I had a feeling our kids are ten years behind. They are shy, lack decorum and manners and cant express themselves coherently.There is also a huge difference between 8.4.4 graduates and graduates from that old system. Guys from the old system are more sure of themselves and possess survival skills that our kids lack

wacha bias

Did you try discussing with the kenyan teenager in their mother toungue, did you discuss with the kenyan teenager about baba and uk, shida you are discussing with a Kenyan teenager in a foreign language about foreign issues, of course they will falter, try discussing with that european kid in swahili and ask them about issues africa.



Hapana Bias hapa. What makes you think, i was not talking to them in Kiswahili? You are right, the only thing most kids here know is about Baba and Uhuru and the discussions are also very superficial. I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work. They can´t speak proper kiswahili nor can they speak proper english


So whom are you comparing the Kenyan kids with?Is it the ignorant Americans who think Africa is one country? What you are basically doing is grading the intelligence of a Fish,an Elephant and a Monkey on their ability to climb a tree.Obviously you know who the genius is.When we seek to review our education system,we should not compare with other countries especially the developed world because the circumstances,challenges etc that learners are exposed to are different.What we need is to ensure that our Kids remain competitive in the global market and most of all they are able to develop the country.


kwanza he should tell us what he was doing with teenagers discussing such matters?
Quote:
I want to have a discussion with them about the relevance of the New Railway, our spiralling debt to GDP ratio,what can we improve on our devolution to make it work.


Even the blue section guys cannot discuss these things intelligently without linking it to RAO and Kamwana


He should leave the children alone. He can quite discuss those with adults here if he wants 'challenge'.
PeterReborn
#29 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:40:40 AM
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The biggest challenge we have for the millennials is their sense of entitlement.I have interacted with these interns who are always complaining they want more money and have zero experience and are always on facebook,twitter,youtube.We have to continue to push them to do their work which they pay little attention to.
Consistency is better than intensity
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#30 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:58:12 AM
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tycho wrote:
I'd prefer a model in which pre-schoolers and early primary school students were taught by professors via stories, practical projects and trips. Upper primary to secondary school to be taught by graduates, and tertiary education by P1 teachers... if we truly want to cultivate thinking...


I like your thinking Tycho.Lots of emphasis in education should be put during preschool and early primary school.Let the kids learn art,science and programming and languages.
Consistency is better than intensity
muganda
#31 Posted : Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:49:19 PM
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, March 28, 2017 4:11:15 PM
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muganda wrote:
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:54:42 PM
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In all fairness anyone who does not get the relation in the anatomy of insects and the technology we have today, alisomea from the dirisha. He's no better than Joho

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