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mlennyma
#501 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 11:49:28 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#502 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 12:20:57 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#503 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 12:25:08 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

expect very mean dividend going forward
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
lochaz-index
#504 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 1:37:45 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

Exactly! The same goes for most banks save for a prudent few. Banks have had a fine run in terms of their loan book for close to 15 years. A washout is way overdue. This makes it a question of when (not if) to take the hit/heat on their earnings through charge offs. My money is on FY 2017 being the real shocker with or without both the rate caps and the election.

For tier III and IV banks, even FY 2016 will be bad. The big boys can stay the execution a while longer but sooner or later the chicken will come home to roost.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
VituVingiSana
#505 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 2:04:00 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

Exactly! The same goes for most banks save for a prudent few. Banks have had a fine run in terms of their loan book for close to 15 years. A washout is way overdue. This makes it a question of when (not if) to take the hit/heat on their earnings through charge offs. My money is on FY 2017 being the real shocker with or without both the rate caps and the election.

For tier III and IV banks, even FY 2016 will be bad. The big boys can stay the execution a while longer but sooner or later the chicken will come home to roost.

FY 2017 provides banks with excuses. Elections. US rate increase. GoK budget deficit. South Sudan.
Then do a big-bath provisioning. When many banks do it simultaneously, it makes an "individual" bank look good.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#506 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 2:06:13 PM
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The BIG cause for all being discussed above is that our economy is bleeding/suffering.
Job losses,weakening spending power,corruption
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mlennyma
#507 Posted : Friday, December 02, 2016 2:09:36 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The BIG cause for all being discussed above is that our economy is bleeding/suffering.
Job losses,weakening spending power,corruption

count 5 more years with duale at the helm
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
obiero
#508 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2016 4:36:07 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

Exactly! The same goes for most banks save for a prudent few. Banks have had a fine run in terms of their loan book for close to 15 years. A washout is way overdue. This makes it a question of when (not if) to take the hit/heat on their earnings through charge offs. My money is on FY 2017 being the real shocker with or without both the rate caps and the election.

For tier III and IV banks, even FY 2016 will be bad. The big boys can stay the execution a while longer but sooner or later the chicken will come home to roost.

As smaller banks falter, does the money move to Timbuktu or to the local larger banks

KQ ABP 4.26
Angelica _ann
#509 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2016 4:51:59 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
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obiero wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

Exactly! The same goes for most banks save for a prudent few. Banks have had a fine run in terms of their loan book for close to 15 years. A washout is way overdue. This makes it a question of when (not if) to take the hit/heat on their earnings through charge offs. My money is on FY 2017 being the real shocker with or without both the rate caps and the election.

For tier III and IV banks, even FY 2016 will be bad. The big boys can stay the execution a while longer but sooner or later the chicken will come home to roost.

As smaller banks falter, does the money move to Timbuktu or to the local larger banks

Flight!!!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
lochaz-index
#510 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:30:13 PM
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obiero wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
There is something about KCB that worries me. I do not trust their numbers. I think the CBK & Treasury are protecting KCB but the rot will show up some time!

If KCB went through a thorough review of all its loans, I think the NPLs will jump. My gut feeling.

conversion to equity of part of that money (loan) means creating more shares?

Conversion of loans [given to KCB] to equity would have to go through a conversion process so I do not think that is on the cards at the moment. For now, KCB wants Tier 2 loans to shore up its capital.

My gut feeling... It is a matter of time before KCB will be forced to take write-downs and provisions for some of its loans. I think KCB wants to get the Tier 2 loans in place, cut back on dividends [scrip issue] and perhaps a Rights Issue BEFORE the NPLs are booked and provisions taken. Time frame 12 months ie FY 2017. The excuse can be the elections were bad for business.

Exactly! The same goes for most banks save for a prudent few. Banks have had a fine run in terms of their loan book for close to 15 years. A washout is way overdue. This makes it a question of when (not if) to take the hit/heat on their earnings through charge offs. My money is on FY 2017 being the real shocker with or without both the rate caps and the election.

For tier III and IV banks, even FY 2016 will be bad. The big boys can stay the execution a while longer but sooner or later the chicken will come home to roost.

As smaller banks falter, does the money move to Timbuktu or to the local larger banks

So you reckon that a bigger deposit base for the big boys will continually result in growing EPS figures?
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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