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Amid chants of "Lock her up! Lock her up!" during his 1st stop of 'Thank You' tour in Cincinnati, Ohio
Trump said:
“The United States owes $19tn,” he said. “We have to straighten out our own house. We cannot go around to every country that we’re not exactly happy with and say we’re going to recreate [them]".
That's whats I'm talking about! No more regime changes. My Friday could not have started better!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Wole Soyinka is an idiot. Foolish professor. www.nation.co.ke/news/af...71620-glh0duz/index.htmlC+P Nigerian Nobel prize-winning author Wole Soyinka said Thursday he has fulfilled his pledge to throw away his US residency green card and leave the country if Donald Trump won the presidential election. “I have already done it, I have disengaged (from the United States). I have done what I said I would do,” the 82-year-old told AFP on the sidelines of an education conference at the University of Johannesburg. “I had a horror of what is to come with Trump... I threw away the (green) card, and I have relocated, and I’m back to where I have always been,” he said, meaning his homeland Nigeria.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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hardwood wrote:Wole Soyinka is an idiot. Foolish professor. www.nation.co.ke/news/af...71620-glh0duz/index.htmlC+P Nigerian Nobel prize-winning author Wole Soyinka said Thursday he has fulfilled his pledge to throw away his US residency green card and leave the country if Donald Trump won the presidential election. “I have already done it, I have disengaged (from the United States). I have done what I said I would do,” the 82-year-old told AFP on the sidelines of an education conference at the University of Johannesburg. “I had a horror of what is to come with Trump... I threw away the (green) card, and I have relocated, and I’m back to where I have always been,” he said, meaning his homeland Nigeria. It had to take a hardliner to force him to return to his motherland. lol. ABK!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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@Harrydre, just come back home, 2017 elections are here to make money again! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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hardwood wrote:Wole Soyinka is an idiot. Foolish professor.
Soyinka is not foolish He is an 82 year old who has accomplished everything he can accomplish and has already made a boatload of money. He can go home and rest. People 20 years younger than him have already retired to mashambani.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Wole Soyinka is an idiot. Foolish professor.
Soyinka is not foolish He is an 82 year old who has accomplished everything he can accomplish and has already made a boatload of money. He can go home and rest. People 20 years younger than him have already retired to mashambani. A professor his age should be level headed, not throwing tantrums like a 6yr old when things don't go his way.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Wole Soyinka is an idiot. Foolish professor. www.nation.co.ke/news/af...71620-glh0duz/index.htmlC+P Nigerian Nobel prize-winning author Wole Soyinka said Thursday he has fulfilled his pledge to throw away his US residency green card and leave the country if Donald Trump won the presidential election. “I have already done it, I have disengaged (from the United States). I have done what I said I would do,” the 82-year-old told AFP on the sidelines of an education conference at the University of Johannesburg. “I had a horror of what is to come with Trump... I threw away the (green) card, and I have relocated, and I’m back to where I have always been,” he said, meaning his homeland Nigeria. With Trump's support for Duterte's extra-judicial killings ( Rodrigo Duterte Says Donald Trump Endorses His Violent Antidrug Campaign) and China's official protest to his Taiwan call ( Trump's Taiwan phone call preceded by hotel development inquiry), Soyinka sees what Trump's capable of. And Trump's not even the president yet. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote: Amid chants of "Lock her up! Lock her up!" during his 1st stop of 'Thank You' tour in Cincinnati, Ohio
Trump said:
“The United States owes $19tn,” he said. “We have to straighten out our own house. We cannot go around to every country that we’re not exactly happy with and say we’re going to recreate [them]".
That's whats I'm talking about! No more regime changes. My Friday could not have started better!
You honestly can't see what's happening, right in front of you eyes? Quote:During the early primaries, Trump's original, core base was composed largely of nationalists, skinheads, and the lowest common denominator between those two camps.
Between his stated policy objectives and his outright behavior during the transition, we have the following so far, and I really don't think this is disputable:
- Wants to register all Jews Muslims
- Wants to deport all commies illegal immigrants - whilst wrapping it up in, "just come in legally." I don't think he knows our immigration laws. Every last one of these people would prefer to come in legally, but we have incredibly strict immigration quotas when it comes to people who "just" want to start a better life in America.
- Nationalism dialed up to 11 - from the primaries (little girls in flag unitards dancing and singing about how the "enemies of freedom" had better "watch out" for the big, scary leader, set to the tune of 'Over There', while describing criticism directed at our foreign policy as "apologies for freedom"; now, during the transition, wants to prosecute those who burn flags (all about freedom, aren'tcha Donnie?)
- Shutting out press who run unfavorable coverage (WaPo) and demonizing anyone who criticizes him, or Pence - all you gotta do is check his Twitter for about 5,000 examples of that.
- Has threatened to prosecute and/or jail a major political opponent for crimes of which she has already been exonerated (I really wanted her to be guilty, I'm for Sanders, but she f***ing wasn't. Sorry. If you're gonna yell at me about disrespecting the president-elect, you gotta respect the f***in' judicial system and the US Congress.)
- Wants to bring back torture. Worse torture.
- Generals for top positions, cozy with the military-industrial complex (not damning in and of itself but we'll get around to it, just you wait)
- Outright misogyny, over and over. I don't feel I need to elaborate on this one.
- Trump buys into the "war on religion" storyline, and with respect to church and state, feels that we "have to have a melding of both
- Trump is a union buster
- Trump is a protectionist, and is hiring protectionists. His pick for FCC comes immediately to mind.
- Trump speaks to an inflated and largely fictional notion of a nationwide crime epidemic. "Our president … has made America a more dangerous environment than frankly I have ever seen, and anybody in this room, has ever watched or seen." And that's one of the less direct comments.
- It really looks like more cronies than qualified persons are being appointed, including an avid "skeptic" for EPA, a Bible-thumping privatization shill for Education, and the guy who runs Breitbart, who can apologize all he wants but the site is still what it is
Now, with the exception of the very last bullet point, I don't think any of those are objectively disputable.
So here's the thing. This is the classic fascism platform. We're not all hysterical, we're not all butthurt, and we haven't all been brainwashed. Those bullet points hit 12 of 14 defining characteristics of fascism.
Couple that with a rash of white nationalist attacks - HUNDREDS OF THEM, an utterly unprecedented spike in hate crimes - in the weeks leading up to and immediately following the election, many of them including references to Trump or directly parroting Trump rhetoric, and it becomes clear that those same skinheads, the ones from the primaries? Those skinheads now feel that they have license to operate. The President-elect and That Subreddit deflect, announcing simply that their actions are not reflective of Trump or his supporters. But the No True Scotsman is especially unconvincing here; they are reflective of Trump's own rhetoric.
This is how it's always started, in every country. A populist promising to make the country Great, who hearkens back to former glory which never really existed, is ushered into office. The slow chipping away seems anomalous at first. Some violent lunatics, then more violent lunatics. One really questionable law or executive order, then five more.
One of the most striking and persistent themes among Italians and Germans who lived through their respective fascist regimes was that it didn't feel like they were living through anything sinister or different. Life went on as normal, except for the ways in which it didn't.
Nobody ever feels like they're living through anything sinister or momentous until the sheer weight of it becomes utterly undeniable. I am Jewish. I was terrified enough when Trump was promising to come for the Mexicans. Then he declared that he'd put big ol' yellow stars on all the Muslims. Now, a lot of those hate crimes are directed at, in addition to those minorities, Jews and black people.
So I have two questions.
How can you turn a blind eye to all this shit? How are you willing to rationalize it, to say nothing of being capable of rationalizing it?
I firmly believe that the, oh, 60-70% of Trump's voters who aren't fascist are unable to see the forest for the trees, for three reasons: first, you guys are unable to separate fascism the deplorable form of government from genocide the crime against humanity. Second, few of you have a real grasp of the Nazis' or Mussolini's rise to power; your perception is tainted by hindsight. Finally, and this is the harsh one, you can't see it because this time the fascist rhetoric panders directly to you. And it's very compelling rhetoric when it speaks to you. That's why it works.
So I'm watching my country circle the drain, and half the nation simply refuses to engage with it. Their man could never do that. It could never happen in America. These libtards are just hysterical.
Distilled for emphasis: he intends to register all persons who practice a given religion, deport millions of people, prosecute his political enemies, he's cracking down on free speech and free expression, he's engaging in cronyism, he's playing off his bogeymen to whip his supporters into a frenzy, he disparages any and everyone who has the audacity to question him in any way, and all in the name of restoring glory that never existed. Make America "great" again. This is fascism.
I never thought I'd wanna quote from the Star Wars prequels, but that movie was an allegory for the rise of fascism...
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Führer Trump the (comedic) gift that keeps giving..😂😂 @hardwood, si you show him how to tie a tie so the skinny end does not need tape? 
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Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Ash Ock wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote: Amid chants of "Lock her up! Lock her up!" during his 1st stop of 'Thank You' tour in Cincinnati, Ohio
Trump said:
“The United States owes $19tn,” he said. “We have to straighten out our own house. We cannot go around to every country that we’re not exactly happy with and say we’re going to recreate [them]".
That's whats I'm talking about! No more regime changes. My Friday could not have started better!
You honestly can't see what's happening, right in front of you eyes? Ash Ock, your refusal to accept the prevailing opposing point of view as valid is dictatorship. It is not democratic. Isnt degrading the human person to depend on the personal whims of a president for welfare and satisfaction rather than rule of law very strange talk coming from the land of the free? Accept and move on or do you always get what you want all the time?
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Anti_Burglar wrote:Ash Ock wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote: Amid chants of "Lock her up! Lock her up!" during his 1st stop of 'Thank You' tour in Cincinnati, Ohio
Trump said:
“The United States owes $19tn,” he said. “We have to straighten out our own house. We cannot go around to every country that we’re not exactly happy with and say we’re going to recreate [them]".
That's whats I'm talking about! No more regime changes. My Friday could not have started better!
You honestly can't see what's happening, right in front of you eyes? Ash Ock, your refusal to accept the prevailing opposing point of view as valid is dictatorship. It is not democratic. Isnt degrading the human person to depend on the personal whims of a president for welfare and satisfaction rather than rule of law very strange talk coming from the land of the free? Accept and move on or do you always get what you want all the time? Anti_Burglar, So you assume you’re the one who's right and I should accept your lack of a rebuttal on what I posted just because? I accept your right to hold an opposing view without, as you have just demonstrated, falling into Ignoratio elenchi and argumentum ad hominem i.e. unrelated issues and insulting my character. The subject of what I posted was Trump, whether he's the best thing since sliced bread or a run-of-the-mill simpleton fascist. Please also respect my right to air my opinion on whether I find Trump to be a fascist or whether I want to accept or move on. Peace. Sent from my Black Nokia 3310
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Once he is POTUS, will he continue with this tweeting business? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Angelica _ann wrote:Once he is POTUS, will he continue with this tweeting business? Yes. #DigitalPresident
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Why is he always on the defensive...Let him call Kibaki for a chat. He will be trained on how to effectively ignore the media and move on until the media itself looks for you for the correct version of things.
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hardwood wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Once he is POTUS, will he continue with this tweeting business? Yes. #DigitalPresident Yoy must change with times coz if you dont, you persih! GG-Trump! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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