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Safaricom should sue CCK..period.
Jaina
#71 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:12:32 PM
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Peculiar Habbits is what kenyans have and MJ knows it. CCK is just being insincere and wants to cripple safcom so that some few individuals "without naming names' can try and recoup their losses.

1. Orange was at it saying that the govt sold them empty coffers. And they wanted a refund of what they paid "else". (Few kenyans know the prefix of orange let alone their charges). Can anyone un-earth the local shareholders of orange i.e France Telkom Kenya??.

2. The prennial name changers Zain are re-known for their good service and better network. Why are they not attracting the customers??. Now some Bharti is going to be in our midst so is being reported.

3. I know very little about yu, only that they have the cheapest rates. But the only cheap thing that kenyans are generally intrested in is alchohol.

WONDER WHY THE SAME GOVT PROTECTS EABL MONOPOLY USING THE SAMILAR TACTICS?.

Some senior people are seriously roasted by investing in this so called competitors. They are simply using the regulatory mechanism to try and salvage them. Otherwise if they close shop, they'll be in serious s*it.

2012
#72 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:27:52 PM
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masukuma wrote:
@mlefu, who is makabichi?
M-PESA agents are not safCON employees or distributors they are just retail dispensers of that certain service, they set-up their own shop, pay their own rent. they are the exact replica of mobile-credit sellers but now on M-PESA.


MPESA is a service. You cannot the same as selling scratch cards. It is a major part of SCOM. I see nothing wrong with SCOM deciding how they wand this service dispensed after all they came up with it to add value to their business. Retailers have a right to choose too. By the way where are zap agents? Why is it that the only way is for them to tag on already established Mpesa agents?

BBI will solve it
:)
masukuma
#73 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:28:55 PM
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@Mkimwa, those are the monopolistic tendencies that are anti-competitive.
@kingauwi, they wooed and convinced agents at a cost and if an agent decides to do some side business you stop him? like it or not those tactics are anti-competitive and MUST BE CLAMPED DOWN! the process begins regardless of all the vitriolic criticism you may have. the REFA amepiga kipenge...he saw a FOUL committed.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Waria
#74 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:15:30 PM
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chris79 wrote:

@djinn, with all the negatives going SCOM's way as you have enumerated, wouldn't it be in the interest of the smaller players to let the status quo remain. After all SCOM is very expensive, customer care never works, Supa Ongea is a big con and the network is ever congested. By your own logic SCOM should be protected from losing customers to its competitors who are offering superior services at dirt cheap prices, no?


Well said!

I have been using orange unlimited and its so sloooow compared to safcom. i get max 25KBps while on safcom usedta reach mpaka 300KBps. That said safcom data is expensive.

If the hullabaloo results in lowering of voice and dats charges by safcom then I win...but i dont see how yu/orange/bharti will
Jaguar
#75 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:06:17 PM
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we will make noise here but the fact remains CHUMA CHA safariCON KI MOTONI!!!!! Lets see how safCON plans to stop cck...
@waria, 300KBps (kiloBYTES per second=2.34Mbps..megabits per sec)? Please go to http://www.speedtest.net/ at 3am in the morning (low traffic at 3am) and post results here for doubting thomasses like me
muganda
#76 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:17:43 PM
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Wooooaaah, I'm missing on the action! In 1973, Peter Drucker made a profound statement:
Because the purpose of business is to create a customer, the business enterprise has two—and only two—basic functions: marketing and innovation. Marketing and innovation produce results; all the rest are costs.

Notice there's no mention of price - Safaricom get's that; the others don't.


On another note, industry practice normally requires key partners to be exclusive. Key partners need to be developed, trained, financed etc. So you will notice Apple partners sell only Apple, Total partners sell only oil from Total, Nokia partners sell only Nokia, and Coke bottlers deal only with Coke, and Celltel partners had to paint up all their shops and only deal with ... (you guessed it).
But you can be a free agent, deal with both as a sub dealer etc.

On another note, wouldn't government time be better spent dealing with Oil cartels, EABL monopoly, Kengen and KPLC government mandated monopolies that actually harm the consumer?

muganda
#77 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:54:37 PM
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So just seen MJ on Citizen Tv and he was very passionate and convincing. It seems his positions is:
-no problem with the general framework
-he agrees Safaricom is dominant but his position is they haven't abused it
-need abuse of dominance to be defined clearly
-absolutely against clause requiring 90 days tarrif change approval/notice for dominant player; controls Safaricom tarrifs while giving competitors prior notice


So I didn't see his last point in @mukiha download; maybe we don't have the final version...
Jaguar
#78 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:25:28 PM
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"absolutely against clause requiring 90 days tarrif change approval/notice for dominant player"....this applies to all operators. Also hoping citizen tv brings
-Yu CEO Srinivasa Iyengar
-Zain Kenya Managing Director Rene Meza
-orange Kenya CEO, Mr Mickael Ghossein
chris79
#79 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:34:37 PM
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@jaguar, by definition safcom is the dominant player, so that rule is aimed directly at it. We don't have 4 dominant players...
Jaguar
#80 Posted : Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:37:39 PM
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@chris79, wacha porojo...Kenya_Information_and_Communication_Tarrif_Regulations_2010....."7. (1) A licensee who wishes to review the tariffs for a regulated service shall file an application for approval of the review with the Commission in the prescribed manner, at least ninety days before the proposed review is intended to come into effect"

download all six documents from

http://www.cck.go.ke/reg.../sector_regulations.html
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