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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Kenyans feel sweet when they are robbed by their tribes men and very bitter when they are robbed by members from other tribes. If we were objective, Uhuru, Ruto, Raila, Wetangula, Mudavadi are all tainted and should not be near anywhere in Leadership in this Country...not even leadership of a cattle Dip
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,929
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Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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hardwood wrote:PeterReborn wrote:hardwood wrote:PeterReborn wrote:hardwood wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Impunity wrote:PeterReborn wrote:WTF????Bought at 1.4m and sold at 10m???That is over 600% profit. Those who won the tender were "women and the disadvantaged in the society", and if you think you have heard it all, these tender winners are president's sister and a cousin! And by the way the Estama company is incorporated in the Panama, sio hapo Sheria house.  Was the procurement process followed? If yes, accept and move on. What procurement process?How does one justify buying something at 1.4m and selling at 10m.What excuse can one give for the ridiculously inflated price? Smart business. You can also buy cabbages in kinangop at @10bob and sell in Nairobi at 100 bob. That's 1000% profit. Biashara ni biashara. What smart business.This is pure theft of the tax payers money.The officers involved in the procured should be surcharged for the theft of public resources. Do you accuse mama Mboga of theft when she sells you a cabbage at 100 bob? When she buys the mboga at the shamba at 10 bob she has to add all her costs to determine final price eg transport cost, her rent (kibanda and home), school fees, medical expenses, food, profit etc etc. Thus the 10 Bob cabbage retails at 100 bob. The company importing the 1.4m also has to add all the company expenses to final cost e.g. worker salaries, rent, transport, workers medical, pension, housing allowances etc etc gov't taxes and the company still needs a profit. You don't expect them to sell to gov't at import cost then dig into their pockets to pay tax, workers, pension etc etc. That is why they sell a bic pen to govt at 70 bob. You should be ashamed of yourself.You cannot add the cost of fombe,mpango wa kando and all your other expenses to the final consumer.If this was the money for these officers,would they spend it the same way?This is broad day thuggery and all the extra moneys need to be recovered from these officers. And for your info Ohurus kin are not associated with Estama and therefore never imported any portable clinics.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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timizo wrote:Kenyans feel sweet when they are robbed by their tribes men and very bitter when they are robbed by members from other tribes. If we were objective, Uhuru, Ruto, Raila, Wetangula, Mudavadi are all tainted and should not be near anywhere in Leadership in this Country...not even leadership of a cattle Dip Okay, this 3 (in red) are already out, how about we get rid of the other 2.  oops "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. An institution advertises tenders for supply of goods and services. Companies submit bids. Tenderers invited to witness opening of tender docs. Lowest bid is choosen and contract signed. The losers admit they lost fairly. Winner supplies goods or services as per tender docs and is paid. So shida iko wapi? Where is the theft?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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hardwood wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. An institution advertises tenders for supply of goods and services. Companies submit bids. Tenderers invited to witness opening of tender docs. Lowest bid is choosen and contract signed. The losers admit they lost fairly. Winner supplies goods or services as per tender docs and is paid. So shida iko wapi? Where is the theft? A used seafreight container is worth not more than Kes 200,000. drilling windows, doors etc would cost another kes 25,000 at jogoo road, anyone accepting a bid for Kes 10 M is stealing and rather opening and foolishly comfortable in the knowlege that they are untouchable. For Kes 10M, you can construct a very comfortable 5 bedroomed house fully furnished (ignoring cost of land). I doubt there was ever any tendering or bidding for this project. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:hardwood wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. An institution advertises tenders for supply of goods and services. Companies submit bids. Tenderers invited to witness opening of tender docs. Lowest bid is choosen and contract signed. The losers admit they lost fairly. Winner supplies goods or services as per tender docs and is paid. So shida iko wapi? Where is the theft? A used seafreight container is worth not more than Kes 200,000. drilling windows, doors etc would cost another kes 25,000 at jogoo road, anyone accepting a bid for Kes 10 M is stealing and rather opening and foolishly comfortable in the knowlege that they are untouchable. For Kes 10M, you can construct a very comfortable 5 bedroomed house fully furnished (ignoring cost of land). I doubt there was ever any tendering or bidding for this project. What is the worth of the equipment in the containers?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:timizo wrote:Kenyans feel sweet when they are robbed by their tribes men and very bitter when they are robbed by members from other tribes. If we were objective, Uhuru, Ruto, Raila, Wetangula, Mudavadi are all tainted and should not be near anywhere in Leadership in this Country...not even leadership of a cattle Dip Okay, this 3 (in red) are already out, how about we get rid of the other 2. oops Yes, they are out but their tribesmen are have trying to bring them back. Same way the tribesmen of those in power are ready to have them stay in power. In Kenya, it feels sweet to be robbed by your tribesman.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. You are all wrong. All these are excuses. Its not systems. Its not even people close to those in power. Its the people we elected. Do not look elsewhere. In Kenya, most people run for political office to steal. If the two top guys wanted to kill corruption in government, they would show it in word and deed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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I dont see the problem with 600% profit. If the price was agreed by the procurement board, it was up to the businessman to make sure that they get the best out of it. Even the cloths/shoes we buy from gikomba and exhibitions are inflated as such. As someone says, you buy cabbages from Nrb at 100 yet the seller bought it at 10. The question should be, are the clinics up to standard? Are all the specifications in the tender provided? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:I dont see the problem with 600% profit. If the price was agreed by the procurement board, it was up to the businessman to make sure that they get the best out of it. Even the cloths/shoes we buy from gikomba and exhibitions are inflated as such. As someone says, you buy cabbages from Nrb at 100 yet the seller bought it at 10.
The question should be, are the clinics up to standard? Are all the specifications in the tender provided? Very true.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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Kratos wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:hardwood wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. An institution advertises tenders for supply of goods and services. Companies submit bids. Tenderers invited to witness opening of tender docs. Lowest bid is choosen and contract signed. The losers admit they lost fairly. Winner supplies goods or services as per tender docs and is paid. So shida iko wapi? Where is the theft? A used seafreight container is worth not more than Kes 200,000. drilling windows, doors etc would cost another kes 25,000 at jogoo road, anyone accepting a bid for Kes 10 M is stealing and rather opening and foolishly comfortable in the knowlege that they are untouchable. For Kes 10M, you can construct a very comfortable 5 bedroomed house fully furnished (ignoring cost of land). I doubt there was ever any tendering or bidding for this project. What is the worth of the equipment in the containers? There are no equipment in the containers, as confirmed, the empty containers are lying at Miritini, one year after importation. They are just empty containers. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:hardwood wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Et all, what i am pinpointing is that there are loopholes that nobody has ever bothered to address in the procurement processes and procedures for Government tenders. That is where we need to start to streamline things. My take. I don't see any loophole @Angelica_ann, its open theft, supported by a government unwilling to prosecute thieves due to perceived closeness to those in power. An institution advertises tenders for supply of goods and services. Companies submit bids. Tenderers invited to witness opening of tender docs. Lowest bid is choosen and contract signed. The losers admit they lost fairly. Winner supplies goods or services as per tender docs and is paid. So shida iko wapi? Where is the theft? A used seafreight container is worth not more than Kes 200,000. drilling windows, doors etc would cost another kes 25,000 at jogoo road, anyone accepting a bid for Kes 10 M is stealing and rather opening and foolishly comfortable in the knowlege that they are untouchable. For Kes 10M, you can construct a very comfortable 5 bedroomed house fully furnished (ignoring cost of land). I doubt there was ever any tendering or bidding for this project. This is like arguing that since the current world price of steel is 300 USD per ton (Ksh 30,000) then a 1 ton Toyota premio should therefore cost no more than 30,000 bob plus 10k for drilling holes for Windows etc.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Many people will justify corruption in so many ways. The same people who said Kabura has done nothing wrong are here sanitizing this corruption. It is very clear that there was exceptional hurry in making these purchases and extraordinary time in making the payments....these are some of the things that tell you that this thing is dirty...dirty.
If you have worked in procurement, you know that you can produce documents to show all the procedure has been followed but as a procurement officer, you know what you are doing. Its funny that mama mboga's margin is being given as a comparison..as if all sectors have the same margin. Next we will be given comparisons of drug lords and prostitutes.
Someone even said that the others who bid for this and failed were satisfied. Were you the procurement officer to know that they were satisfied? This is how we have been fleeced for many years and we continue celebrating that it is okay for the government to buy a pen for Kshs 80 ...the same that you will get at the shop for Kshs 10 as long as a procurement officer shows you that procedures were followed.
We must go to any strengths to defend the government of Muthamaki.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Very good... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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timizo wrote:Kenyans feel sweet when they are robbed by their tribes men and very bitter when they are robbed by members from other tribes. If we were objective, Uhuru, Ruto, Raila, Wetangula, Mudavadi are all tainted and should not be near anywhere in Leadership in this Country...not even leadership of a cattle Dip
I agree.... It is so disappointing.... I think if all the internal auditors can be be honest we have heavy theft taking place in all the government ministries and parastatals.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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Unfortunately we who can see the theft for what it's DONT VOTE! Tharaka Nithi will still deliver us expected!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Taurrus wrote:Unfortunately we who can see the theft for what it's DONT VOTE! Tharaka Nithi will still deliver us expected! Even Nithi have had enough of this mess! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Baba now defends Cord governors against corrption allegations. Says the governors are safi kama pamba. Baba says the Auditor-General's report detailing corruption in cord counties is rubbish and propaganda, and that AG Ouko has hidden agenda. Says no governor should resign or answer audit queries. Surely who can take baba seriously when it comes to fighting corruption. He demands waeguru and mulaguri to resign immediately but for cord governors he says audit report is garbage and that Ouko is mad. http://www.the-star.co.k...on-audit-biased_c1460855
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