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Waaah. Odinga praises Trump election and attacks Obama. Says Obama presidency was “the worst thing to have ever happened to America and Kenya.”. http://www.sde.co.ke/the...ss-sister-begs-for-work
“Obama never did anything for Africans. The most memorable thing Obama ever did when he came to Africa was to flirt with some white woman during Mandela’s funeral. As president, Obama sat back and watched his aunt get harassed by the immigration department and he did nothing, yet Zaituni was terminally sick,”. “Obama’s father was my neighbour in Woodly, Nairobi, he was a wife batterer, a reckless man and never provided for his family. There are days his family would go without food for days on end, and our family would at times have to step in and give them food...I used to separate Obama Senior and his American wife Ruth whenever they were fighting, which was all the time...”. When Obama came to Kenya as Senator of Illinois in 2006, the people of Kogelo slaughtered fattened cows and “the Kogelo people blessed him and he won the presidency, then he forgot about them,” noting that “some of the people in Kogelo are the poorest of the poor. There are no schools, no hospitals, and he has done nothing for Africans ever since he became president.” When Obama became president “he came to Kenya, chose his own hotel and refused to ride in the same car with our president in his specially fitted White House car.” “He gave the opposition a few hours and then went ahead and discussed publicly what he had discussed with them in private, in the process, demeaning a very well respected lawyer.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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hardwood wrote:Waaah. Odinga praises Trump election and attacks Obama. Says Obama presidency was “the worst thing to have ever happened to America and Kenya.”. http://www.sde.co.ke/the...ss-sister-begs-for-work
“Obama never did anything for Africans. The most memorable thing Obama ever did when he came to Africa was to flirt with some white woman during Mandela’s funeral. As president, Obama sat back and watched his aunt get harassed by the immigration department and he did nothing, yet Zaituni was terminally sick,”. “Obama’s father was my neighbour in Woodly, Nairobi, he was a wife batterer, a reckless man and never provided for his family. There are days his family would go without food for days on end, and our family would at times have to step in and give them food...I used to separate Obama Senior and his American wife Ruth whenever they were fighting, which was all the time...”. When Obama came to Kenya as Senator of Illinois in 2006, the people of Kogelo slaughtered fattened cows and “the Kogelo people blessed him and he won the presidency, then he forgot about them,” noting that “some of the people in Kogelo are the poorest of the poor. There are no schools, no hospitals, and he has done nothing for Africans ever since he became president.” When Obama became president “he came to Kenya, chose his own hotel and refused to ride in the same car with our president in his specially fitted White House car.” “He gave the opposition a few hours and then went ahead and discussed publicly what he had discussed with them in private, in the process, demeaning a very well respected lawyer. I do not believe that this juvenile words can be attributed to Odinga. May be another Odinga but not RAO (Pamba).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:Waaah. Odinga praises Trump election and attacks Obama. Says Obama presidency was “the worst thing to have ever happened to America and Kenya.”. http://www.sde.co.ke/the...ss-sister-begs-for-work
“Obama never did anything for Africans. The most memorable thing Obama ever did when he came to Africa was to flirt with some white woman during Mandela’s funeral. As president, Obama sat back and watched his aunt get harassed by the immigration department and he did nothing, yet Zaituni was terminally sick,”. “Obama’s father was my neighbour in Woodly, Nairobi, he was a wife batterer, a reckless man and never provided for his family. There are days his family would go without food for days on end, and our family would at times have to step in and give them food...I used to separate Obama Senior and his American wife Ruth whenever they were fighting, which was all the time...”. When Obama came to Kenya as Senator of Illinois in 2006, the people of Kogelo slaughtered fattened cows and “the Kogelo people blessed him and he won the presidency, then he forgot about them,” noting that “some of the people in Kogelo are the poorest of the poor. There are no schools, no hospitals, and he has done nothing for Africans ever since he became president.” When Obama became president “he came to Kenya, chose his own hotel and refused to ride in the same car with our president in his specially fitted White House car.” “He gave the opposition a few hours and then went ahead and discussed publicly what he had discussed with them in private, in the process, demeaning a very well respected lawyer. I do not believe that this juvenile words can be attributed to Odinga. May be another Odinga but not RAO (Pamba). Beryl. Our baba hawes kuwa hivyo.soma article
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
Yes, all this Electoral College talk is just a waste of time by those who cannot stomach democracy. It has worked fine for them all this time so now is when they want to change it? Because they didn't win now they change it?
Anyway, about your concerns, I read about the Somali woman voted in. To say the truth human passions are almost uniform the world over. Imagine next year Onyango winning a seat in Othaya partly because Omondis and Otienos were there in plenty. Or Kariuki winning in Kabondo partly because Kamaus and Kamothos were there in enough numbers.
It may not necessarily be a bad thing for conspicous immigrants to do their things in quiet like the descendants of the coolies have largely done here. Getting in the middle of raw of emotions - through politics as it primarily does - may have repucussions (negative and / or positive) of which the contestants might not have anticipated.
I have always said elections are wars!! masukuma wrote:True to script! Trumpamba is complaining about the voter registration process. as an election worker I have seen this countless times before... Oh! Deceased People Oh! Foreigners!! And the democrats are responding to it wrongly... amateurs!! Oh! the data does not show this! Oh! the data does not show that! Politicians don't buy narratives of data that say something contrary to what they are believing. Data only works for people like me  Perhaps they should learn lessons from the 3rd world that may have been forgotten huko kwa akina @kiash - We have the election process in lieu of something uglier and nastier. Election laws are supposed to do two things 1) DEMONSTRATE OF FAIRNESS 2) PROTECT RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL i.e. be INCLUSIVE. You DEMONSTRATE FAIRNESS to a ll engaging groups BEFORE the process. This is the reason in my opinion the IEBC commissioners had to go - they did nothing wrong but one side did not want them and since we want that side to engage in this election process instead of the ugly, we cede ground. If the process isn't seen to be fair or is seen as a channel to legitimize 'oppression' there is no motivation to engage in it and the ugly thing elections were replacing most likely takes place. Secondly, The law is supposed to protect the individual - not raise the bar of eligibility to disqualify a hitherto eligible person. Any law that requires that this individual jumps hoops to prove elibility infringes on the rights of the individual and if it happens that this individual is stereotypically from a group of persons which is known to vote a certain way - it will be seen as oppression by that group. How do you walk the tight rope then? How do you find middleground? you must engage in dialog BEFORE things get heated! you must DEMONSTRATE that the system is not 'rigged'. For Trumpamba - it's already too late now to change anything. Changing an electoral system right now is reactionary. They will have to wait until things cool down. But they have every right to demand an electoral system that suits them. This will need to be premised on future elections. It's OK to change positions - everything else changes - why not you? As I said elections are wars! we need to engage in them in lieu of something uglier. The Democrats are seeing the system as it is becoming disadvantageous to them - let them complain. even if it's for future elections. Kila Mwamba ngoma, ngozi huivuta pande yake. The truth is there are states whose citizens are worth "more" than others - here is table of these states: Quote:So whose votes are worth the most? Our 'power' league table offers a state-by-state guide:
1. Wyoming (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 195,369 people
2. Vermont (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 208,680 people
3. DC (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 224,076 people
4. Alaska (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 246,144 people
5. North Dakota (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 252,309 people
6. Rhode Island (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 264,075 people
7. South Dakota (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 286,156 people
8. Delaware (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 315,311 people
9. Maine (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 332,332 people
10. New Hampshire (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 332,652 people
11. Montana (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 344,316 people
12. Hawaii (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 357,901 people
13. West Virginia (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 368,826 people
14. Nebraska (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 379,238 people
15. Idaho (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 413,733 people
16. New Mexico (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 417,022 people
17. Nevada (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 481,808 people
18. Kansas (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 485,274 people
19. Arkansas (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 496,367 people
20. Mississippi (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 498,722 people
21. Utah (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 499,320 people
22. Connecticut (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 512,984 people
23. Iowa (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 520,650 people
24. Alabama (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 539,887 people
25. South Carolina (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 544,016 people
26. Minnesota (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 548959 people
27. Kentucky (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 553,137 people
28. Oklahoma (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 558,763 people
29. Oregon (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 575,568 people
30. Wisconsin (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 577,134 people
31. Louisiana (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 583,841 people
32. Washington (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 597,529 people
33. Tennessee (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 600,027 people
34. Maryland (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 600,640 people
35. Indiana (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 601,789 people
36. Colorado (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 606,286 people
37. Missouri (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 608,367 people
38. Massachusetts (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 617,674 people
39. Michigan (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 620,161 people
40. Arizona (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 630,733 people
41. Georgia (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 638,429 people
42. New Jersey (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 639,858 people
43. Pennsylvania (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 640,125 people
44. Illinois (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 643,000 people
45. Virginia (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 644,846 people
46. Ohio (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 645,190 people
47. North Carolina (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 669,520 people
48. New York (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 682,613 people
49. Florida (Swing) - One Electoral College vote per 699,009 people
50. California (Dem) - One Electoral College vote per 711,724 people
51. Texas (Rep) - One Electoral College vote per 722,871 people All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Lolest! wrote:Iganamagana wrote:hardwood wrote:Waaah. Odinga praises Trump election and attacks Obama. Says Obama presidency was “the worst thing to have ever happened to America and Kenya.”. http://www.sde.co.ke/the...ss-sister-begs-for-work
“Obama never did anything for Africans. The most memorable thing Obama ever did when he came to Africa was to flirt with some white woman during Mandela’s funeral. As president, Obama sat back and watched his aunt get harassed by the immigration department and he did nothing, yet Zaituni was terminally sick,”. “Obama’s father was my neighbour in Woodly, Nairobi, he was a wife batterer, a reckless man and never provided for his family. There are days his family would go without food for days on end, and our family would at times have to step in and give them food...I used to separate Obama Senior and his American wife Ruth whenever they were fighting, which was all the time...”. When Obama came to Kenya as Senator of Illinois in 2006, the people of Kogelo slaughtered fattened cows and “the Kogelo people blessed him and he won the presidency, then he forgot about them,” noting that “some of the people in Kogelo are the poorest of the poor. There are no schools, no hospitals, and he has done nothing for Africans ever since he became president.” When Obama became president “he came to Kenya, chose his own hotel and refused to ride in the same car with our president in his specially fitted White House car.” “He gave the opposition a few hours and then went ahead and discussed publicly what he had discussed with them in private, in the process, demeaning a very well respected lawyer. I do not believe that this juvenile words can be attributed to Odinga. May be another Odinga but not RAO (Pamba). Beryl. Our baba hawes kuwa hivyo.soma article I knew it can not be Baba. Now this Beryl, instead of working her butts off expects freebies. Bure kabisa!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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What is the difference between a black president and a president who is black? There are people who would say there is none, it's a distinction without a difference. Before I answer it - Let me tell you a story Baseball is a fairly big sport in the US, for the longest time Black people were not allowed to play in the Major league baseball. No man of color, no matter how skilled, was allowed to play Major League Baseball. It represented everything that white America considered American, and it could only be played by white men After pushing and pulling and tugging. The white people that run the league agreed to have a black person play the sport. His name was Jackie Robinson. Jackie Robinson was a college-educated, former U.S. Army officer from Southern California. Most of the other baseball palyers had grown up under overt racism. Not him. He was the first baseball player who was Black. He did everything required of a baseball player but did not drive the black agenda. No matter how many times white people spat on him or insulted him Jackie Robinson went back to work. He turned the other cheek and worked. Obama is to me the Jackie Robinson of politics. He is the first american president who is black. He is not the first black US president - that one will come! Obama has done his job, he has broken the race barrier. He is like Mandela - break the race barrier and move on. Mandela did not heal SA. No! he was a foot in the door. Huyu jamaa alianguka woodwork - Julius Malema are now the real African leaders and not leaders who are africans. Obama like Mandela did not drive the black agenda nor the african agenda - he drove the American/south african agenda. it's important to have these steps. let's go back into history. The Americans had africans as slaves, then there were laws(codes) that came up that tried to regulate the treatment of slaves - did it fix everything? nope! did it fix something YES. later, there was the emancipation proclamation that stopped Africans from being slaves but did not give them status as full human beings. Did they refuse? they took it. It was not everything they wanted but it was an improvement. They lived under Jim Crow and Then came the civil rights movement that basically made them 'full human beings' with all rights including voting rights. Obama is a first in this journey - he is a cog in the wheel... driving africans forward. did he fulfill our agenda? No! he showed that Africans can make fairly decent presidents. He does not have a scandal around him. A decent narrative of his presidency. He has been insulted by republicans. He has carried the office of the presidency with decency. He has beaten 2 wazungus in campaigns. He is our Jackie Robinson of politics - the first President who is black! We have a foot in the door - in future we will get a Black President -who will now do things for black people. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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Several, strong black men brutally assaulting an older white man who their accomplices accuse of voting for Trump. Surely this is despicable ....... Just wait till the revenge attacks come, you will hear "oh, KKK" "oh, racism" "oh, Trump". "oh, this" "oh, that". I will feel nothing if and when they come.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Anti_Burglar wrote:Several, strong black men brutally assaulting an older white man who their accomplices accuse of voting for Trump. Surely this is despicable ....... Just wait till the revenge attacks come, you will hear "oh, KKK" "oh, racism" "oh, Trump". "oh, this" "oh, that". I will feel nothing if and when they come. Stokholm's syndrome ndio inkusumbua wewe na hardwood! Nyinyi ni Oreos! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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So for those who are complaining about the Electoral College - you will be comforted in knowing that there have been 700 proposals in Congress in the last 200 years to change it. This means that there have been more proposed constitutional amendments to change the Electoral College than any other topic in their law. Apparently it's so difficult to remove the law coz it requires 2/3 of congress it also requires approval by 3/4 of the state assemblies and the smaller states love this system It gives them relevance - Ohio for example loves being a swing state... wanasiasa wanatumia pesa huko sana. in 2012 this is how money was spent - a total of $710 millionQuote:
Colorado –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $29.6 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $29.5 million
Florida –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $62.7 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $69.9 million
Iowa –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $22.7 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $33.2 million
Michigan –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $ 329,000
Romney + Republican Allies: $12.4 million
Minnesota –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $ 525,000
Romney + Republican Allies: $2.4 million
New Hampshire –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $16.2 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $13.8 million
New Mexico –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $41,000
Romney + Republican Allies: $1 million
North Carolina –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $22.9 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $38.6 million
Ohio –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $67.7 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $78.7 million
Pennsylvania –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $10 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $15.9 million
Virginia –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $41.8 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $68.3 million
Wisconsin –
Obama + Democratic Allies: $8.2 million
Romney + Republican Allies: $25.4 million
Unaona, wakiwachilia hiyo pesa? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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