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US Elections, Hillary or Trump?
masukuma
#1151 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:40:30 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
masukuma wrote:
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In relation to this, perhaps you can give us 'data' on how many Britons have actually emigrated since Brexit. lol.

of course these are knee jerk REACTIONS Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly hakuna mahali watu wanaenda! things don't drastically change Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . watu wa relax... unless you are a black/latino i the south or the bible belt.
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masukuma
#1152 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:43:44 AM
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Anti_Burglar wrote:
Now as the analyses rages on the why the other lost and the other won, data, as we were spoon fed and force fed died.

data was not wrong kaka... Clinton is a popular candidate (59,926,386) to (59,698,506) i.e. like 300k on top... she just didn't have 40k votes in the right places.
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Anti_Burglar
#1153 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:54:08 AM
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Post election violence rocks the land of the free

So much for civility as measured against the deplorables.
hamburglar
#1154 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:04:44 AM
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Mercedes Benz, BMW and VW have manufacturing plants in Germany, a developed country. Toyota, Nissan, etc have plants in Japan, a developed country. If those countries can sustain auto manufacturing and provide gainful employment to their citizens, then Americans can also hope that their government (Trump) should be able to find a way to bring back manufacturing jobs and provide gainful employment to its citizens.

The BIG 3 provided a lot of jobs to people in the 90's and early 2000 and they were still profitable. The midwest was very vibrant and cities in the rust belt were very progressive. Then American companies became greedy and wanted to quadruple their profits at the expense of regular Joe. That's what Americans are angry about and they believe that Trump might just be the right person to right that ship. People feel that Trump is all about America and could care less about Syria and Iran and Mexico and all those other places that American politicians needlessly worry about while their own people are languishing in unemployment and other social issues.

These same cars that you are saying would be unaffordable if they were manufactured in the US were very affordable 15 years ago and those companies still made profits. They are affordable in Japan and Germany and the companies are still very much profitable.

If it worked then, it can still work now. That's what the Midwesterners believe. If companies (read CEO's and executives) would stop being so greedy and realize that making hundreds of millions in salary at the expense of whole cities is wrong, then maybe we can get manufacturing back in the US.

Not every part of America can be like Lowell or Silicon Valley. We can't have every city trying to be the tech hub of the country otherwise America will starve to death. We need cities like Oxnard California to plant fruits and provide employment to the citizens who don't have the skills to found a Facebook or a Google.

America must take care of it's blue collar workers by bringing blue collar jobs back. By shipping them to Mexico and China, they are telling their own people that they value profits more than they value their people. That's a recipe for disaster and Hillary has just learned that the hard way. If other developed nations can still have thriving auto industries, them America can somehow do it too.
alma1
#1155 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:17:56 AM
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hamburglar wrote:
Mercedes Benz, BMW and VW have manufacturing plants in Germany, a developed country. Toyota, Nissan, etc have plants in Japan, a developed country. If those countries can sustain auto manufacturing and provide gainful employment to their citizens, then Americans can also hope that their government (Trump) should be able to find a way to bring back manufacturing jobs and provide gainful employment to its citizens.

The BIG 3 provided a lot of jobs to people in the 90's and early 2000 and they were still profitable. The midwest was very vibrant and cities in the rust belt were very progressive. Then American companies became greedy and wanted to quadruple their profits at the expense of regular Joe. That's what Americans are angry about and they believe that Trump might just be the right person to right that ship. People feel that Trump is all about America and could care less about Syria and Iran and Mexico and all those other places that American politicians needlessly worry about while their own people are languishing in unemployment and other social issues.

These same cars that you are saying would be unaffordable if they were manufactured in the US were very affordable 15 years ago and those companies still made profits. They are affordable in Japan and Germany and the companies are still very much profitable.

If it worked then, it can still work now. That's what the Midwesterners believe. If companies (read CEO's and executives) would stop being so greedy and realize that making hundreds of millions in salary at the expense of whole cities is wrong, then maybe we can get manufacturing back in the US.

Not every part of America can be like Lowell or Silicon Valley. We can't have every city trying to be the tech hub of the country otherwise America will starve to death. We need cities like Oxnard California to plant fruits and provide employment to the citizens who don't have the skills to found a Facebook or a I need an answer by next week Monday otherwise we proceed with the court case.


Humbaglar, I agree with you that Americans used to be good in manufacturing.

The keyword here is USED TO BE.

They shall never be as efficient as the Germans or the Japanese.

http://www.autonews.com/...d-according-to-bob-lutz

Read that as it explains what ails the manufacturing industry.

They can't compete in the global market. It's that simple. A president of a country cannot make a more efficient manufacturing plant. The lazy american worker cannot be compared to a German worker. That's just a fact.

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American Auto Industry Executives went to Congress and demanded that import quotas be implemented to reduce the Japanese Auto Imports. All to get the American Auto Industry breathing room to get back on its feet. If not implemented the American Auto Industry was done for forever. The Japanese Auto Industry entered into the "Voluntary Restraint Agreement" for Japanese imports. What this did was to give Japanese Auto Industry the means to drive up the prices for their cars, while that actual costs to produce the cars were unchanged. This meant the higher prices they were setting due to lower supply was pure profit. The Japanese Auto Industry had the greatest gift any corporation could ask for, the ability to set the unchallenged profit from each item produced. They double the price and increase their profit not by 10% or 20% but 5 to 10 times their normal profit margins.


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Some readers might point to computers as similar in the above regard, but unlike the Big Three, Silicon Valley’s technology firms have long outsourced the manufacture of their technologies overseas. When Apple AAPL -0.11% Inc. puts out ads about how its goods are ‘designed in California,’ the tech giant is speaking volumes about Detroit’s problems.

Put simply, Michigan and its city most known for the rise of the automobile clung to a business – car manufacturing – that was long ago rendered yesterday’s commercial news. And just as Silicon Valley would be destitute too if its companies used limited U.S. labor to manufacture computers that anyone can make, Detroit is bankrupt because its biggest employers still manufacture – as opposed to simply design – cars that anyone can make.

The mainstream punditry will talk about unions, crime and high taxes as the causes of Detroit’s bankruptcy, but the real answer is rooted in something far more basic: cars are easy to make, and Detroit’s biggest employers make cars. Detroit will revitalize itself once its biggest employers migrate toward that which isn’t so simple.


It's not that Americans cannot manufacture, they just can't compete. And sorry to say, they won't.

Everything has been tried to save this industries, quotas, trade restrictions, gov't bailouts, killing unions. The industries just aren't profitable. Everytime they think they have solved a problem, the other countries do it much better.

When will americans accept, they are not as good as they think they are?

My friend, I'm hundred percent sure that 90% of the users on wazua have a phone that is not made in america. However great that iPhone is, you still stick to Samsung, Infinix, Tecno etc. Why?

Ship the jobs back to the US for that Iphone and all of a sudden you won't bother buying a phone at 30% more when you can get the same thing from Infinix.

There are what we call imaginations of perfection and then there's reality.

They are not as efficient as other countries and Trump cannot make them more efficient however Bigly he thinks.
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masukuma
#1156 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:23:04 AM
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Morning After To-Do List:

1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.

2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.

3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.

4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore

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alma1
#1157 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:32:33 AM
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Masukuma in July Michael Moore predicted the exact results we see today. I being from those areas in Massachussets didn't believe people can be that stupid. But was wrong. lol

All I want to see is this bring back the jobs crap that the conman came up with.

It's like telling all companies to remove computers from their offices so that we can now typists.

For the rust belt, things are about to get worse. There are now driverless trucks coming soon. The only jobs that they have now is truck driving. It's their choice to either learn new skills or become replaced by robots.

This idea of tarriffs on China was even tried by Obama. it backfired big time. They got only 1000 jobs when they introduced tarriffs to tyres. China imposed its own tarriffs in American products.

in the end, americans are paying $1.1 billion more for tyres than they would have.

Trump conned these people. And guys like Moore and Krystall Ball (real name) are right, the democrats are just too nice.

All I want to see in the first 100 days is a wall and tarriffs then I can say that Uhuru's idea of facing East was not such a bad idea after all. I'll even vote for him if he continues facing east coz there's no there there in the west.
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Uram
#1158 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:35:20 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Anti_Burglar wrote:
Now as the analyses rages on the why the other lost and the other won, data, as we were spoon fed and force fed died.

data was not wrong kaka... Clinton is a popular candidate (59,926,386) to (59,698,506) i.e. like 300k on top... she just didn't have 40k votes in the right places.


Kaka, you have repeated this several times. Are you in denial? Accept that she lost and move on
2012
#1159 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:43:59 AM
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Lolest! wrote:


Ha ha ha... Why does this reminds me of Kenya?


Trump won because he said what most Americans thought but could not morally speak out loud.
Sec. Clinton lost because she had simply nothing to offer.

The world is going far right. Brexit, US, Nigeria... Even Kenya, I can bet, if not 2017 then 2022.

BBI will solve it
:)
Intelligentsia
#1160 Posted : Thursday, November 10, 2016 11:16:06 AM
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Final Numbers.
#ElectionDay

231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump

Almost 50% of eligible voters not voting is very deep electoral apathy.
It also means DT as electoral winner doesn't enjoy wide national mandate/ public confidence, has to work even harder to push policies thru a very skeptical public. And keeping him safe will be an onerous task - Secret Service will be very very busy next 4 years protecting him.

Our 2013 elections turnout was 86%, highest in Kenya's history, meaning 14% or 2.1m pple (sometimes I think they are the clever ones) just didn't give a shiet who we chose as prezo, and while we queued in the cold and blistering sun they were just yawning at home and imbibing beer as the rest determined their fate - or did they by not voting determine our fate?

Means our apathy has been high >15% over the years - why?


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