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hamburglar wrote:alma1 wrote:hamburglar wrote:Hillary's mistake was going up and down the Midwest denigrating Trump's character to desperate people who had lost their jobs. Trump on the other hand told them what they wanted to hear. Trump promised to bring back the BIG 3 (Chrysler, Ford and GM) back to the Midwestern states. Ever since the auto industry collapsed in these States, these people have had to endure so much heartache. They had to walk out of their homes and watch their houses go into foreclosures, lose their sons and daughters to gun crime and drugs because of the poverty that was created, move to other States where they were not welcome and didn't have the neccessary skills to fit into the job markets there (most of these people had been in the auto industry their whole lives). I know so many people from Detroit who are bitter at how their lives took a downward spiral after the BIG 3 left.
Point is, these people don't really care how many women's genitals Trump has grabbed, they don't care if he refused to reveal his tax returns, they just want their jobs back so that they can go back to their homes and raise their families in a dignified manner.
When a person is desperate, they really don't care about politics, they just want to be given an opportunity to be productive. Trump promised them that. Hillary didn't. That was the difference. Nothing else mattered really. Not immigration, or even national security, the promise to bring back the BIG three and all the factories in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and West Pennsylvania won the day. If you look clearly, all the other States voted exactly like they were projected to vote, the only surprises were those four states which have traditionally been part of the Blue wall.
In other words, Hillary forgot to fix her house first before going to meddle in Syria and Libya and promising Illegal aliens path to citizenship and other goodies while her own citizens are wallowing in despair because their jobs were taken away. I believe Trump will make the Midwest great again. In three years, the BIG three and all it's affiliates will be back. People's livelihoods will always trump politics. Pun intended. Hambuglar, you are just proving to me that people were conned by the best conman in the world ever. Please advise us how the big 3 come back? Slowly please. Will Trump give the big 3 a bailout? Isn't that not what Obama did and was hated for by the very same fellas? It's true that he told them what they wanted to hear. But my friend, there shall be no company in the world going to commit suicide by taking back production to the US. They should have learned from the other parts of the country that moved away from manufacturing a long time ago and are flourishing. It is economically unviable to run a manufacturing plant in the US. With the attitude of hating the chinese, the chinese will knock off each and every one of their ideas going forward. Just look at the phone market in Kenya and notice how Samsung and even Infinix has eaten into Apple. You have just highlited the same reason why Hillary lost the election. Pessimism. Hillary was subtly sending the message that BIG 3 and manufacturing will never come back to the US and that's why she lost heavily especially in the Midwest. People don't want to hear the word can't, they don't want to hear politics of why Obama's bailout for the BIG 3 failed, they want to hear somebody tell them that he will try every which way to bring back their beloved jobs and give them back their dignity. The tactic that you are using is the same tactic Hillary's advisors failed on. A lot of democrats who hate Trump voted for him because they are tired of Washington politics. They need a fresh start and Trump being a wild card who as we've seen is capable of anything, could very well be the the person that finds a way to bring manufacturing back to the Midwest. That is why he was elected because he is coming from left field and contrary to Hillary, Trump might just find a way to bring back manufacturing to the Midwest. People don't want to hear your kind of pessimism, they want somebody who will look for solutions, any solution. Masukuma had a brilliant quote about some biblical people staying put and not eating or tempting fate bu attacking the army and maybe eating in the end. That's what's happening here. Those Midwestern voters could have stayed put with Hillary and not eaten but they chose to go with Trump and maybe get something to eat. You are still making the same mistake that Hillary made by being a pessimist about people's livelihoods. When it comes to survival, people don't want to hear the word CAN'T, they want somebody to tell them that maybe it CAN be done. We don't know how feasible it is but i know for sure that Trump will try. He is different and foolish or smart enough to try what most politicians won't touch. It's very telling that despite all the hostility between Trump and the Latino community, Trump still got more Latino votes than Romney. The Latinos are some of the biggest beneficiaries of these manufacturing jobs. That right there should tell you something. It should tell you that livelihoods and survival come before politics and personal feelings. What is there to be optimistic about dying industries? If phones or cars are manufactured in America, no one will be able to afford them because of the expensive production costs. Its time they became realists - move on to new technology and adapt to change. Hanging on dreams and history has proved to be detrimental time and again. Today's consumer wants clean and efficiently produced goods. Companies want profits, the other countries are offering them bait, of a) Cheap labor b) that is highly skilled. This is what Apple (Steve Jobs) told Obama when he asked about jobs coming back " the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their U.S. counterparts that "Made in the USA" is no longer a viable option for most Apple products." Motorola did set up a plant in Texas but it closed in an yearFor as long as those same workers will not agree to get paid less than $1 an hr, then they can forget about that "old" America. Now manufacturing is turning to robotics. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Americans have taken to the streets to protest the results of the election. I wonder how safe this guy will be given how much so many people hate him
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Shak wrote:Americans have taken to the streets to protest the results of the election. I wonder how safe this guy will be given how much so many people hate him People Need to Accept and Move On 
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murchr wrote:hamburglar wrote:alma1 wrote:hamburglar wrote:Hillary's mistake was going up and down the Midwest denigrating Trump's character to desperate people who had lost their jobs. Trump on the other hand told them what they wanted to hear. Trump promised to bring back the BIG 3 (Chrysler, Ford and GM) back to the Midwestern states. Ever since the auto industry collapsed in these States, these people have had to endure so much heartache. They had to walk out of their homes and watch their houses go into foreclosures, lose their sons and daughters to gun crime and drugs because of the poverty that was created, move to other States where they were not welcome and didn't have the neccessary skills to fit into the job markets there (most of these people had been in the auto industry their whole lives). I know so many people from Detroit who are bitter at how their lives took a downward spiral after the BIG 3 left.
Point is, these people don't really care how many women's genitals Trump has grabbed, they don't care if he refused to reveal his tax returns, they just want their jobs back so that they can go back to their homes and raise their families in a dignified manner.
When a person is desperate, they really don't care about politics, they just want to be given an opportunity to be productive. Trump promised them that. Hillary didn't. That was the difference. Nothing else mattered really. Not immigration, or even national security, the promise to bring back the BIG three and all the factories in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and West Pennsylvania won the day. If you look clearly, all the other States voted exactly like they were projected to vote, the only surprises were those four states which have traditionally been part of the Blue wall.
In other words, Hillary forgot to fix her house first before going to meddle in Syria and Libya and promising Illegal aliens path to citizenship and other goodies while her own citizens are wallowing in despair because their jobs were taken away. I believe Trump will make the Midwest great again. In three years, the BIG three and all it's affiliates will be back. People's livelihoods will always trump politics. Pun intended. Hambuglar, you are just proving to me that people were conned by the best conman in the world ever. Please advise us how the big 3 come back? Slowly please. Will Trump give the big 3 a bailout? Isn't that not what Obama did and was hated for by the very same fellas? It's true that he told them what they wanted to hear. But my friend, there shall be no company in the world going to commit suicide by taking back production to the US. They should have learned from the other parts of the country that moved away from manufacturing a long time ago and are flourishing. It is economically unviable to run a manufacturing plant in the US. With the attitude of hating the chinese, the chinese will knock off each and every one of their ideas going forward. Just look at the phone market in Kenya and notice how Samsung and even Infinix has eaten into Apple. You have just highlited the same reason why Hillary lost the election. Pessimism. Hillary was subtly sending the message that BIG 3 and manufacturing will never come back to the US and that's why she lost heavily especially in the Midwest. People don't want to hear the word can't, they don't want to hear politics of why Obama's bailout for the BIG 3 failed, they want to hear somebody tell them that he will try every which way to bring back their beloved jobs and give them back their dignity. The tactic that you are using is the same tactic Hillary's advisors failed on. A lot of democrats who hate Trump voted for him because they are tired of Washington politics. They need a fresh start and Trump being a wild card who as we've seen is capable of anything, could very well be the the person that finds a way to bring manufacturing back to the Midwest. That is why he was elected because he is coming from left field and contrary to Hillary, Trump might just find a way to bring back manufacturing to the Midwest. People don't want to hear your kind of pessimism, they want somebody who will look for solutions, any solution. Masukuma had a brilliant quote about some biblical people staying put and not eating or tempting fate bu attacking the army and maybe eating in the end. That's what's happening here. Those Midwestern voters could have stayed put with Hillary and not eaten but they chose to go with Trump and maybe get something to eat. You are still making the same mistake that Hillary made by being a pessimist about people's livelihoods. When it comes to survival, people don't want to hear the word CAN'T, they want somebody to tell them that maybe it CAN be done. We don't know how feasible it is but i know for sure that Trump will try. He is different and foolish or smart enough to try what most politicians won't touch. It's very telling that despite all the hostility between Trump and the Latino community, Trump still got more Latino votes than Romney. The Latinos are some of the biggest beneficiaries of these manufacturing jobs. That right there should tell you something. It should tell you that livelihoods and survival come before politics and personal feelings. What is there to be optimistic about dying industries? If phones or cars are manufactured in America, no one will be able to afford them because of the expensive production costs. Its time they became realists - move on to new technology and adapt to change. Hanging on dreams and history has proved to be detrimental time and again. Today's consumer wants clean and efficiently produced goods. Companies want profits, the other countries are offering them bait, of a) Cheap labor b) that is highly skilled. This is what Apple (Steve Jobs) told Obama when he asked about jobs coming back " the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their U.S. counterparts that "Made in the USA" is no longer a viable option for most Apple products." Motorola did set up a plant in Texas but it closed in an yearFor as long as those same workers will not agree to get paid less than $1 an hr, then they can forget about that "old" America. Now manufacturing is turning to robotics. Humbaglar, I know and understand that the voter wanted to be told good and nice things. Not to be negative like me. But I'm I being negative by highlighting the facts as they are? If you go to Cambridge, Lowell, Lawrence, etc in Massachussets, you shall find very old buildings. Very old warehouses that used to run the milling and cotton industries. These towns were made for the cotton industry exporting huge amounts of clothes worldwide. Somewhere along the way, these cotton mills died because of competition from cheaper sources such as India. Instead of the commonwealth of Massachussets crying about how illegal immigrants have taken over their jobs, they moved on. You now find these towns are hubs of immigration. They have also converted those cloth factories into computer hubs with information hubs that gave you things like facebook. The Massachussets economy has never failed and they are still looking for the next wave of ideas. Now compare MA to the other states that keep on talking about illegal immigration. What does a fellow in Ohio know about illegal immigration. I doubt if there's a latino in that area anyway. While in Lawrence Massachussets even the cops are children of illegal immigrants. Las Vegas is a desert. Total dessert. But instead of going manufacturing they decided that they can create a city of sin so that those Bible nuts could come and spend all their money there. Hambuglar, there are things I can say to get me elected. If I want to be MP in Mathioya all I have to do is scream raira raira raira and I'm good to go. Then there's reality. There are no manufacturing jobs coming to the US ever again. Unless they create new manufacturing ideas eg green tech, they have been lied to. That global economy they are so scared about is already here. Ask the Britons now coming up with all sorts of excuses to delay Brexit. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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murchr wrote:hamburglar wrote:alma1 wrote:hamburglar wrote:Hillary's mistake was going up and down the Midwest denigrating Trump's character to desperate people who had lost their jobs. Trump on the other hand told them what they wanted to hear. Trump promised to bring back the BIG 3 (Chrysler, Ford and GM) back to the Midwestern states. Ever since the auto industry collapsed in these States, these people have had to endure so much heartache. They had to walk out of their homes and watch their houses go into foreclosures, lose their sons and daughters to gun crime and drugs because of the poverty that was created, move to other States where they were not welcome and didn't have the neccessary skills to fit into the job markets there (most of these people had been in the auto industry their whole lives). I know so many people from Detroit who are bitter at how their lives took a downward spiral after the BIG 3 left.
Point is, these people don't really care how many women's genitals Trump has grabbed, they don't care if he refused to reveal his tax returns, they just want their jobs back so that they can go back to their homes and raise their families in a dignified manner.
When a person is desperate, they really don't care about politics, they just want to be given an opportunity to be productive. Trump promised them that. Hillary didn't. That was the difference. Nothing else mattered really. Not immigration, or even national security, the promise to bring back the BIG three and all the factories in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and West Pennsylvania won the day. If you look clearly, all the other States voted exactly like they were projected to vote, the only surprises were those four states which have traditionally been part of the Blue wall.
In other words, Hillary forgot to fix her house first before going to meddle in Syria and Libya and promising Illegal aliens path to citizenship and other goodies while her own citizens are wallowing in despair because their jobs were taken away. I believe Trump will make the Midwest great again. In three years, the BIG three and all it's affiliates will be back. People's livelihoods will always trump politics. Pun intended. Hambuglar, you are just proving to me that people were conned by the best conman in the world ever. Please advise us how the big 3 come back? Slowly please. Will Trump give the big 3 a bailout? Isn't that not what Obama did and was hated for by the very same fellas? It's true that he told them what they wanted to hear. But my friend, there shall be no company in the world going to commit suicide by taking back production to the US. They should have learned from the other parts of the country that moved away from manufacturing a long time ago and are flourishing. It is economically unviable to run a manufacturing plant in the US. With the attitude of hating the chinese, the chinese will knock off each and every one of their ideas going forward. Just look at the phone market in Kenya and notice how Samsung and even Infinix has eaten into Apple. You have just highlited the same reason why Hillary lost the election. Pessimism. Hillary was subtly sending the message that BIG 3 and manufacturing will never come back to the US and that's why she lost heavily especially in the Midwest. People don't want to hear the word can't, they don't want to hear politics of why Obama's bailout for the BIG 3 failed, they want to hear somebody tell them that he will try every which way to bring back their beloved jobs and give them back their dignity. The tactic that you are using is the same tactic Hillary's advisors failed on. A lot of democrats who hate Trump voted for him because they are tired of Washington politics. They need a fresh start and Trump being a wild card who as we've seen is capable of anything, could very well be the the person that finds a way to bring manufacturing back to the Midwest. That is why he was elected because he is coming from left field and contrary to Hillary, Trump might just find a way to bring back manufacturing to the Midwest. People don't want to hear your kind of pessimism, they want somebody who will look for solutions, any solution. Masukuma had a brilliant quote about some biblical people staying put and not eating or tempting fate bu attacking the army and maybe eating in the end. That's what's happening here. Those Midwestern voters could have stayed put with Hillary and not eaten but they chose to go with Trump and maybe get something to eat. You are still making the same mistake that Hillary made by being a pessimist about people's livelihoods. When it comes to survival, people don't want to hear the word CAN'T, they want somebody to tell them that maybe it CAN be done. We don't know how feasible it is but i know for sure that Trump will try. He is different and foolish or smart enough to try what most politicians won't touch. It's very telling that despite all the hostility between Trump and the Latino community, Trump still got more Latino votes than Romney. The Latinos are some of the biggest beneficiaries of these manufacturing jobs. That right there should tell you something. It should tell you that livelihoods and survival come before politics and personal feelings. What is there to be optimistic about dying industries? If phones or cars are manufactured in America, no one will be able to afford them because of the expensive production costs. Its time they became realists - move on to new technology and adapt to change. Hanging on dreams and history has proved to be detrimental time and again. Today's consumer wants clean and efficiently produced goods. Companies want profits, the other countries are offering them bait, of a) Cheap labor b) that is highly skilled. This is what Apple (Steve Jobs) told Obama when he asked about jobs coming back " the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their U.S. counterparts that "Made in the USA" is no longer a viable option for most Apple products." Motorola did set up a plant in Texas but it closed in an yearFor as long as those same workers will not agree to get paid less than $1 an hr, then they can forget about that "old" America. Now manufacturing is turning to robotics. @muchr - Let me tell you.... once you are in the works you get to know how complicated things are. I have a saying - KAZI YA WENGINE NI RAHISI KUSHINDA YAKO! It happens everytime a noob is running for office. The Narrative is always the same. - these guys don't know what they are doing - these i will change everything the guy gets into office and 4-5 years later... the story is always - it's going to take time to get results - things are not as easy as they look I think some business is SIMPLE and HARD, politics is COMPLEX and HARD. Those two require two sets of skills. Will Trump change stuff? will it work - I don't know. He has no excuse (rather than time of course), he has congress, the senate and the judiciary. Waiting for the excuses in 2020. The Hillary team is the establishment team - they know these facts and realities and have had their chance along comes a new comer who says.. HOW HARD CAN IT BE? if he was in Kenya his proposal would be something like "SI YOU JUST [INSERT SOLUTION STATEMENT HERE]". The truth is... Next year we will hear Uhuru giving us explanations and if a new guy rises who does not have excuses for bread and butter things - atapata kura! On the type of voters that voted for Trump - there are 2 1) the guys who love him.. these are the *ists (Racists, Nationalists, Mysgonits) 2) the guys who dislike him but are willing to put up with him (The midwestern, rust belt lot, latinos and african americans e.t.c.) Remember the Mbadi's quote about akina Michuki in 2010- "our 'Yes' is not the same as their 'Yes'". But the KatiMBA required both for better or for worse. Trump required the two and I think both lots will be disappointed as soon as Trump realises that politics is a different kettle of fish from business. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:ION  In relation to this, perhaps you can give us 'data' on how many Britons have actually emigrated since Brexit. lol.
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He is free to emigrate to wherever he wants. As soon as the relevant websites come back on line, akwende. And as Masukumas photo below indicates, it may be for his own safety. But hiyo ni domo tu anachapa.
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Lolest! wrote:Shak wrote:Americans have taken to the streets to protest the results of the election. I wonder how safe this guy will be given how much so many people hate him People Need to Accept and Move On  I am loving this election... it's showing that watu ni watu! Wazungu ni watu! meanwhile someone's son was welcomed to school like this  the *ists are coming out from the shadows... but their masters are asking them to relax All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Now as the analyses rages on the why the other lost and the other won, data, as we were spoon fed and force fed died.
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Anti_Burglar wrote:masukuma wrote:ION In relation to this, perhaps you can give us 'data' on how many Britons have actually emigrated since Brexit. lol. of course these are knee jerk REACTIONS hakuna mahali watu wanaenda! things don't drastically change . watu wa relax... unless you are a black/latino i the south or the bible belt. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Anti_Burglar wrote:Now as the analyses rages on the why the other lost and the other won, data, as we were spoon fed and force fed died. data was not wrong kaka... Clinton is a popular candidate (59,926,386) to (59,698,506) i.e. like 300k on top... she just didn't have 40k votes in the right places. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Post election violence rocks the land of the freeSo much for civility as measured against the deplorables.
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Mercedes Benz, BMW and VW have manufacturing plants in Germany, a developed country. Toyota, Nissan, etc have plants in Japan, a developed country. If those countries can sustain auto manufacturing and provide gainful employment to their citizens, then Americans can also hope that their government (Trump) should be able to find a way to bring back manufacturing jobs and provide gainful employment to its citizens.
The BIG 3 provided a lot of jobs to people in the 90's and early 2000 and they were still profitable. The midwest was very vibrant and cities in the rust belt were very progressive. Then American companies became greedy and wanted to quadruple their profits at the expense of regular Joe. That's what Americans are angry about and they believe that Trump might just be the right person to right that ship. People feel that Trump is all about America and could care less about Syria and Iran and Mexico and all those other places that American politicians needlessly worry about while their own people are languishing in unemployment and other social issues.
These same cars that you are saying would be unaffordable if they were manufactured in the US were very affordable 15 years ago and those companies still made profits. They are affordable in Japan and Germany and the companies are still very much profitable.
If it worked then, it can still work now. That's what the Midwesterners believe. If companies (read CEO's and executives) would stop being so greedy and realize that making hundreds of millions in salary at the expense of whole cities is wrong, then maybe we can get manufacturing back in the US.
Not every part of America can be like Lowell or Silicon Valley. We can't have every city trying to be the tech hub of the country otherwise America will starve to death. We need cities like Oxnard California to plant fruits and provide employment to the citizens who don't have the skills to found a Facebook or a Google.
America must take care of it's blue collar workers by bringing blue collar jobs back. By shipping them to Mexico and China, they are telling their own people that they value profits more than they value their people. That's a recipe for disaster and Hillary has just learned that the hard way. If other developed nations can still have thriving auto industries, them America can somehow do it too.
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hamburglar wrote:Mercedes Benz, BMW and VW have manufacturing plants in Germany, a developed country. Toyota, Nissan, etc have plants in Japan, a developed country. If those countries can sustain auto manufacturing and provide gainful employment to their citizens, then Americans can also hope that their government (Trump) should be able to find a way to bring back manufacturing jobs and provide gainful employment to its citizens.
The BIG 3 provided a lot of jobs to people in the 90's and early 2000 and they were still profitable. The midwest was very vibrant and cities in the rust belt were very progressive. Then American companies became greedy and wanted to quadruple their profits at the expense of regular Joe. That's what Americans are angry about and they believe that Trump might just be the right person to right that ship. People feel that Trump is all about America and could care less about Syria and Iran and Mexico and all those other places that American politicians needlessly worry about while their own people are languishing in unemployment and other social issues.
These same cars that you are saying would be unaffordable if they were manufactured in the US were very affordable 15 years ago and those companies still made profits. They are affordable in Japan and Germany and the companies are still very much profitable.
If it worked then, it can still work now. That's what the Midwesterners believe. If companies (read CEO's and executives) would stop being so greedy and realize that making hundreds of millions in salary at the expense of whole cities is wrong, then maybe we can get manufacturing back in the US.
Not every part of America can be like Lowell or Silicon Valley. We can't have every city trying to be the tech hub of the country otherwise America will starve to death. We need cities like Oxnard California to plant fruits and provide employment to the citizens who don't have the skills to found a Facebook or a I need an answer by next week Monday otherwise we proceed with the court case. Humbaglar, I agree with you that Americans used to be good in manufacturing. The keyword here is USED TO BE. They shall never be as efficient as the Germans or the Japanese. http://www.autonews.com/...d-according-to-bob-lutz
Read that as it explains what ails the manufacturing industry. They can't compete in the global market. It's that simple. A president of a country cannot make a more efficient manufacturing plant. The lazy american worker cannot be compared to a German worker. That's just a fact. Quote:American Auto Industry Executives went to Congress and demanded that import quotas be implemented to reduce the Japanese Auto Imports. All to get the American Auto Industry breathing room to get back on its feet. If not implemented the American Auto Industry was done for forever. The Japanese Auto Industry entered into the "Voluntary Restraint Agreement" for Japanese imports. What this did was to give Japanese Auto Industry the means to drive up the prices for their cars, while that actual costs to produce the cars were unchanged. This meant the higher prices they were setting due to lower supply was pure profit. The Japanese Auto Industry had the greatest gift any corporation could ask for, the ability to set the unchallenged profit from each item produced. They double the price and increase their profit not by 10% or 20% but 5 to 10 times their normal profit margins. Quote:Some readers might point to computers as similar in the above regard, but unlike the Big Three, Silicon Valley’s technology firms have long outsourced the manufacture of their technologies overseas. When Apple AAPL -0.11% Inc. puts out ads about how its goods are ‘designed in California,’ the tech giant is speaking volumes about Detroit’s problems.
Put simply, Michigan and its city most known for the rise of the automobile clung to a business – car manufacturing – that was long ago rendered yesterday’s commercial news. And just as Silicon Valley would be destitute too if its companies used limited U.S. labor to manufacture computers that anyone can make, Detroit is bankrupt because its biggest employers still manufacture – as opposed to simply design – cars that anyone can make.
The mainstream punditry will talk about unions, crime and high taxes as the causes of Detroit’s bankruptcy, but the real answer is rooted in something far more basic: cars are easy to make, and Detroit’s biggest employers make cars. Detroit will revitalize itself once its biggest employers migrate toward that which isn’t so simple. It's not that Americans cannot manufacture, they just can't compete. And sorry to say, they won't. Everything has been tried to save this industries, quotas, trade restrictions, gov't bailouts, killing unions. The industries just aren't profitable. Everytime they think they have solved a problem, the other countries do it much better. When will americans accept, they are not as good as they think they are? My friend, I'm hundred percent sure that 90% of the users on wazua have a phone that is not made in america. However great that iPhone is, you still stick to Samsung, Infinix, Tecno etc. Why? Ship the jobs back to the US for that Iphone and all of a sudden you won't bother buying a phone at 30% more when you can get the same thing from Infinix. There are what we call imaginations of perfection and then there's reality. They are not as efficient as other countries and Trump cannot make them more efficient however Bigly he thinks. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Morning After To-Do List: 1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably. 2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off. 3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin. 4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that. 5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Masukuma in July Michael Moore predicted the exact results we see today. I being from those areas in Massachussets didn't believe people can be that stupid. But was wrong. lol All I want to see is this bring back the jobs crap that the conman came up with. It's like telling all companies to remove computers from their offices so that we can now typists. For the rust belt, things are about to get worse. There are now driverless trucks coming soon. The only jobs that they have now is truck driving. It's their choice to either learn new skills or become replaced by robots. This idea of tarriffs on China was even tried by Obama. it backfired big time. They got only 1000 jobs when they introduced tarriffs to tyres. China imposed its own tarriffs in American products. in the end, americans are paying $1.1 billion more for tyres than they would have. Trump conned these people. And guys like Moore and Krystall Ball (real name) are right, the democrats are just too nice. All I want to see in the first 100 days is a wall and tarriffs then I can say that Uhuru's idea of facing East was not such a bad idea after all. I'll even vote for him if he continues facing east coz there's no there there in the west. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/24/2013 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Anti_Burglar wrote:Now as the analyses rages on the why the other lost and the other won, data, as we were spoon fed and force fed died. data was not wrong kaka... Clinton is a popular candidate (59,926,386) to (59,698,506) i.e. like 300k on top... she just didn't have 40k votes in the right places. Kaka, you have repeated this several times. Are you in denial? Accept that she lost and move on
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Ha ha ha... Why does this reminds me of Kenya? Trump won because he said what most Americans thought but could not morally speak out loud. Sec. Clinton lost because she had simply nothing to offer. The world is going far right. Brexit, US, Nigeria... Even Kenya, I can bet, if not 2017 then 2022.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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Final Numbers.
#ElectionDay
231,556,622 eligible voters
46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump
Almost 50% of eligible voters not voting is very deep electoral apathy.
It also means DT as electoral winner doesn't enjoy wide national mandate/ public confidence, has to work even harder to push policies thru a very skeptical public. And keeping him safe will be an onerous task - Secret Service will be very very busy next 4 years protecting him.
Our 2013 elections turnout was 86%, highest in Kenya's history, meaning 14% or 2.1m pple (sometimes I think they are the clever ones) just didn't give a shiet who we chose as prezo, and while we queued in the cold and blistering sun they were just yawning at home and imbibing beer as the rest determined their fate - or did they by not voting determine our fate?
Means our apathy has been high >15% over the years - why?
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