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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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murchr wrote:What cost Hillary the election?
1. Increasing rates on Obama Care.
2. FBI email investigations creating a feeling of she's being favored.
3. Disenfranchised White workers (coal miners, auto manufacturers workers etc) 4.had no campaign agenda(what she would do to change the lives of Americans if elected.) . .just saying trump is unfit to serve. On the contrary, Trump had even the first 100 dayso agenda. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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githundi wrote:murchr wrote:What cost Hillary the election?
1. Increasing rates on Obama Care.
2. FBI email investigations creating a feeling of she's being favored.
3. Disenfranchised White workers (coal miners, auto manufacturers workers etc) 4.had no campaign agenda(what she would do to change the lives of Americans if elected.) . .just saying trump is unfit to serve. On the contrary, Trump had even the first 100 dayso agenda. Comeon deporting bad hombre's is an agenda? She had an agenda, it just didn't resonate with the local man esp the industrial man. Black Americans are on the frying pan now...section 8, obama care on the chopping board. Its now time for corporate america to make profits through tax cuts. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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It is the Republicans who came up with AGOA that has helped African countries access the US market and improve trade. What Africa needs is trade not aid. Republicans are best for Africa.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:It is the Republicans who came up with AGOA that has helped African countries access the US market and improve trade. Republicans are best for Africa. @hardwood, this is not the Bush republican (GOP), or the tea party wing, its a 3rd force...it will be interesting to see what goes on in the first 100 days. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Hehe so George Dubya Bush refused to vote for Trump....or Hillary. ISOKEI. www.mobile.abc.net.au/ne...doesn't-vote/8008992
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Immigrant Gives His REACTION To Donald Trump Win... On New York City Subway...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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A country should take care of its citizens first before thinking about immigrants. You feed your kids first before thinking about the neighbour's kids "coming to eat nyama" in your home.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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murchr wrote:What cost Hillary the election?
1. Increasing rates on Obama Care.
2. FBI email investigations creating a feeling of she's being favored.
3. Disenfranchised White workers (coal miners, auto manufacturers workers etc) I agree with 2 and 3 Obamacare was not much of a factor. The people affected by the rate increases are the ones with no insurance so they need Obamacare and Trump's vow to abolish Obamacare is not the solution they want. Hillary lost largely because people were not enthusiastic about her. Both Hillary and Trump got less votes than either Romney and McCain got. That means many voters decided to sit this one out. People were not enthusiastic about Hillary because she does not excite people the way Bernie Sanders does. Plus she is too scandal ridden. Speaking of Sanders, I think the wikileaks that claimed to show that Sanders was rigged out played a major role by depressing Sanders supporters, many of whom decided to sit out the election. In hindsight this shoulda been predictable. As far back as November 2015, polls suggested that Bernie Sanders would beat Trump or any republican easily but Hillary was polling behind Trump and even further behind the likes of John Kasic and Rubio.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:What cost Hillary the election?
1. Increasing rates on Obama Care.
2. FBI email investigations creating a feeling of she's being favored.
3. Disenfranchised White workers (coal miners, auto manufacturers workers etc) I agree with 2 and 3 Obamacare was not much of a factor. The people affected by the rate increases are the ones with no insurance so they need Obamacare and Trump's vow to abolish Obamacare is not the solution they want. Hillary lost largely because people were not enthusiastic about her. Both Hillary and Trump got less votes than either Romney and McCain got. That means many voters decided to sit this one out. People were not enthusiastic about Hillary because she does not excite people the way Bernie Sanders does. Plus she is too scandal ridden. Speaking of Sanders, I think the wikileaks that claimed to show that Sanders was rigged out played a major role by depressing Sanders supporters, many of whom decided to sit out the election. In hindsight this shoulda been predictable. As far back as November 2015, polls suggested that Bernie Sanders would beat Trump or any republican easily but Hillary was polling behind Trump and even further behind the likes of John Kasic and Rubio. Note: I rarely engage you but let me point out 1. Clinton has won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college. 2. There were more voters in 2016 than 2012. If it weren't for trump winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Wisconsin Hillary would have taken it. Those states voted democrat in 2008/2012 (industrial states) Note these are states that Bernie did so well, seems like they couldn't just work with her. But overall, fear drove people to the polls. Esp with the talk that Latinos voted early in droves. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Alba wrote:murchr wrote:What cost Hillary the election?
1. Increasing rates on Obama Care.
2. FBI email investigations creating a feeling of she's being favored.
3. Disenfranchised White workers (coal miners, auto manufacturers workers etc) I agree with 2 and 3 Obamacare was not much of a factor. The people affected by the rate increases are the ones with no insurance so they need Obamacare and Trump's vow to abolish Obamacare is not the solution they want. Hillary lost largely because people were not enthusiastic about her. Both Hillary and Trump got less votes than either Romney and McCain got. That means many voters decided to sit this one out. People were not enthusiastic about Hillary because she does not excite people the way Bernie Sanders does. Plus she is too scandal ridden. Speaking of Sanders, I think the wikileaks that claimed to show that Sanders was rigged out played a major role by depressing Sanders supporters, many of whom decided to sit out the election. In hindsight this shoulda been predictable. As far back as November 2015, polls suggested that Bernie Sanders would beat Trump or any republican easily but Hillary was polling behind Trump and even further behind the likes of John Kasic and Rubio. Note: I rarely engage you but let me point out 1. Clinton has won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college. 2. There were more voters in 2016 than 2012. If it weren't for trump winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Wisconsin Hillary would have taken it. Those states voted democrat in 2008/2012 (industrial states) Note these are states that Bernie did so well, seems like they couldn't just work with her. But overall, fear drove people to the polls. Esp with the talk that Latinos voted early in droves. Yeah - 40,075 (12686, 27389) votes is the difference in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin gave the Donald 30 electoral votes. Amejaza votes huko Califonia she is leading the popular vote by karibu 300k. Kura sio Kura... Kura in the right place is everything. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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ION  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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Loving it at how the critics and the media who were against Trump are now humble. Both Republicans & Democrats did not see that coming. Even though people might not like Trump, they voted for him because the likeliness for change was more probable with Trump than with that which had been in power for several terms. Just as devastated Americans need to accept their new president, the rest of the world also needs to Accept the new POTUS. Trump now just needs to prove himself worth of that position. He has an advantage since the republicans got the majority in the House and at the Senate. Where them pollsters at?  They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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D32 wrote:Loving it at how the critics and the media who were against Trump are now humble. Both Republicans & Democrats did not see that coming. Even though people might not like Trump, they voted for him because the likeliness for change was more probable with Trump than with that which had been in power for several terms. Just as devastated Americans need to accept their new president, the rest of the world also needs to Accept the new POTUS. Trump now just needs to prove himself worth of that position. He has an advantage since the republicans got the majority in the House and at the Senate. Where them pollsters at? Especially CNN..they are so humbled
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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These exit polls were so off they had to delete them off. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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murchr wrote:
Note: I rarely engage you but let me point out
 I sooo dissapointed Quote:2. There were more voters in 2016 than 2012. Where are you getting your numbers from? In 2016: Clinton has 59,794,935 votes Trump has 59,588,437 votes In 2012 Obama had 65,915,795 votes Romney had 60,933,504 In 2008 Obama had 69,498,516 McCain had 59,948,323 So both Clinton and Trump both got a lower number of votes. If voter turnout was higher then they must have voted for 3rd party candidates. Quote:
If it weren't for trump winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Wisconsin Hillary would have taken it.
And if money could be picked from trees I would be rich Those states voted democrat in 2008/2012 (industrial states) Note these are states that Bernie did so well, seems like they couldn't just work with her. But overall, fear drove people to the polls. Esp with the talk that Latinos voted early in droves. They did not work for her because she is too scandal ridden, is deemed as untrustworthy. And as some have pointed out, there is currently a white nationalist movement that is taking over Europe and now North America. BTW Trump won more Latino votes than Romney. Go figure
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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@hardwood where at though, I want to send a drink your way.... you made it man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/9/2009 Posts: 2,003
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
Note: I rarely engage you but let me point out
I sooo dissapointed Quote:2. There were more voters in 2016 than 2012. Where are you getting your numbers from? In 2016: Clinton has 59,794,935 votes Trump has 59,588,437 votes In 2012 Obama had 65,915,795 votes Romney had 60,933,504 In 2008 Obama had 69,498,516 McCain had 59,948,323 So both Clinton and Trump both got a lower number of votes. If voter turnout was higher then they must have voted for 3rd party candidates. Quote:
If it weren't for trump winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Wisconsin Hillary would have taken it.
And if money could be picked from trees I would be rich Those states voted democrat in 2008/2012 (industrial states) Note these are states that Bernie did so well, seems like they couldn't just work with her. But overall, fear drove people to the polls. Esp with the talk that Latinos voted early in droves. They did not work for her because she is too scandal ridden, is deemed as untrustworthy. And as some have pointed out, there is currently a white nationalist movement that is taking over Europe and now North America. BTW Trump won more Latino votes than Romney. Go figure Are the Americans so desperate that anything is better..?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
Note: I rarely engage you but let me point out
I sooo dissapointed Quote:2. There were more voters in 2016 than 2012. Where are you getting your numbers from? In 2016: Clinton has 59,794,935 votes Trump has 59,588,437 votes In 2012 Obama had 65,915,795 votes Romney had 60,933,504 In 2008 Obama had 69,498,516 McCain had 59,948,323 So both Clinton and Trump both got a lower number of votes. If voter turnout was higher then they must have voted for 3rd party candidates. Quote:
If it weren't for trump winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina and Wisconsin Hillary would have taken it.
And if money could be picked from trees I would be rich Those states voted democrat in 2008/2012 (industrial states) Note these are states that Bernie did so well, seems like they couldn't just work with her. But overall, fear drove people to the polls. Esp with the talk that Latinos voted early in droves. They did not work for her because she is too scandal ridden, is deemed as untrustworthy. And as some have pointed out, there is currently a white nationalist movement that is taking over Europe and now North America. BTW Trump won more Latino votes than Romney. Go figure You are wrong on the number...why? Because they are still counting ballots cast on Tue & absentee ballots are not yet in the tally. My point on Latino's was, the white population was driven by fear when the news media went splashing news that Latino's are voting in droves. It had nothing to do with the number of votes Romney vs Trump got if anything Latino's are very conservative. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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alma1 wrote:hamburglar wrote:Hillary's mistake was going up and down the Midwest denigrating Trump's character to desperate people who had lost their jobs. Trump on the other hand told them what they wanted to hear. Trump promised to bring back the BIG 3 (Chrysler, Ford and GM) back to the Midwestern states. Ever since the auto industry collapsed in these States, these people have had to endure so much heartache. They had to walk out of their homes and watch their houses go into foreclosures, lose their sons and daughters to gun crime and drugs because of the poverty that was created, move to other States where they were not welcome and didn't have the neccessary skills to fit into the job markets there (most of these people had been in the auto industry their whole lives). I know so many people from Detroit who are bitter at how their lives took a downward spiral after the BIG 3 left.
Point is, these people don't really care how many women's genitals Trump has grabbed, they don't care if he refused to reveal his tax returns, they just want their jobs back so that they can go back to their homes and raise their families in a dignified manner.
When a person is desperate, they really don't care about politics, they just want to be given an opportunity to be productive. Trump promised them that. Hillary didn't. That was the difference. Nothing else mattered really. Not immigration, or even national security, the promise to bring back the BIG three and all the factories in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and West Pennsylvania won the day. If you look clearly, all the other States voted exactly like they were projected to vote, the only surprises were those four states which have traditionally been part of the Blue wall.
In other words, Hillary forgot to fix her house first before going to meddle in Syria and Libya and promising Illegal aliens path to citizenship and other goodies while her own citizens are wallowing in despair because their jobs were taken away. I believe Trump will make the Midwest great again. In three years, the BIG three and all it's affiliates will be back. People's livelihoods will always trump politics. Pun intended. Hambuglar, you are just proving to me that people were conned by the best conman in the world ever. Please advise us how the big 3 come back? Slowly please. Will Trump give the big 3 a bailout? Isn't that not what Obama did and was hated for by the very same fellas? It's true that he told them what they wanted to hear. But my friend, there shall be no company in the world going to commit suicide by taking back production to the US. They should have learned from the other parts of the country that moved away from manufacturing a long time ago and are flourishing. It is economically unviable to run a manufacturing plant in the US. With the attitude of hating the chinese, the chinese will knock off each and every one of their ideas going forward. Just look at the phone market in Kenya and notice how Samsung and even Infinix has eaten into Apple. You have just highlited the same reason why Hillary lost the election. Pessimism. Hillary was subtly sending the message that BIG 3 and manufacturing will never come back to the US and that's why she lost heavily especially in the Midwest. People don't want to hear the word can't, they don't want to hear politics of why Obama's bailout for the BIG 3 failed, they want to hear somebody tell them that he will try every which way to bring back their beloved jobs and give them back their dignity. The tactic that you are using is the same tactic Hillary's advisors failed on. A lot of democrats who hate Trump voted for him because they are tired of Washington politics. They need a fresh start and Trump being a wild card who as we've seen is capable of anything, could very well be the the person that finds a way to bring manufacturing back to the Midwest. That is why he was elected because he is coming from left field and contrary to Hillary, Trump might just find a way to bring back manufacturing to the Midwest. People don't want to hear your kind of pessimism, they want somebody who will look for solutions, any solution. Masukuma had a brilliant quote about some biblical people staying put and not eating or tempting fate bu attacking the army and maybe eating in the end. That's what's happening here. Those Midwestern voters could have stayed put with Hillary and not eaten but they chose to go with Trump and maybe get something to eat. You are still making the same mistake that Hillary made by being a pessimist about people's livelihoods. When it comes to survival, people don't want to hear the word CAN'T, they want somebody to tell them that maybe it CAN be done. We don't know how feasible it is but i know for sure that Trump will try. He is different and foolish or smart enough to try what most politicians won't touch. It's very telling that despite all the hostility between Trump and the Latino community, Trump still got more Latino votes than Romney. The Latinos are some of the biggest beneficiaries of these manufacturing jobs. That right there should tell you something. It should tell you that livelihoods and survival come before politics and personal feelings.
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AlphDoti wrote:Immigrant Gives His REACTION To Donald Trump Win... On New York City Subway... Perhaps this is the reason why Donald trump won. This coward can afford to say whatever his under-developed brain tells him. He is lucky ot be in the free world. Would he try that crap in saudi Arabia ? Trump should start cleaning his country of filth like this one here.
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