@tmatekwa,
PEV will not be sorted by the constitution. it will be sorted by a change of people's values and morals. you are mistaken to think that this document written by men will for sure stop PEV-like events.
Isn't the Law clear on Murder? is there anyone in Kenya who does not know murder is wrong? but they still do it. Ethnic tensions will not be sorted by this constitution.

@Obi, because people will always break the law, kill each other and steal. why do we bother? Why write this document? you know why? so that on the 40th day we nab the perpetrators - they will pay NDIO AWE FUNZO KWA WENGINE. Having a tight abortion law will not stop abortions, they may go underground. but WHEN THEY ARE CAUGHT, they should not use this draft to defend themselves. the reason a law is written is to for JUSTICE for all!! including the unborn. we must never forget that

@Brewer,
well said. what we have a generation to much in a hurry to do things. i keep on reminding you guyz - ESAU lost his birthright because he felt as if one day's hunger would kill him. we are TOO HASTY.

@nanfor1, on a personal level. My wife and I had to under go DNC just early this year for the loss of our baby. I never wish for any woman to undergo that pain it was a very painful process. but in the same note, i would not wish for anyone to abuse that process for convenience as we have established is possible.
I know you are about to shout - DOUBLE STANDARDS....and its because you have not read or sought to understand my posts - a fallacy of cherry picking.
For arguments sake I suggest you take a lesson in logical fallacies because all your statements are full of fallacies of generalizations (cherry picking to be exact),Ad hominem, appealing to emotions - BUT I can see right through them.

who said this?


where did you get the idea that

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Its either you are a magician able to conjure something from nothing or your arguments reek of generalization and appealing to emotions and personal attacks of people you know very little of (i think the latter) - since you know i am right in all my arguments.
take a free lesson here and see yourself in the mirror (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/) and spare us and any other people of your generalizations and faulty arguments.

@ Masukuma

I don't understand you at all but I respect your right to choose, In the best interest of Kenya, please vote NO. I think I can live with not agreeing with you

I am also very happy that Moi will vote NO, vindicates what he has stood for all along and further convinces me that my yes is the right choice.

The church, I am sad and disappointed

Wendz, I think it is Plato who said that Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.


The PEV did not happen because we do not have good laws, it's the culture of hatred and intolerance driven mainly by our politics. The politicians are still here and resoundingly in the Yes side. Listening to them I hardly think they have changed their ways. I hardly think we have changed our ways.

The constitution like quite a number of our laws is good to have but it is not the 'cure all' prescription for our problems. The No camp, especially the church leaders, have been treated less than kindly for saying No. The process of making the constitution is as important as the constitution itself and cannot employ intolerance and hatred to pass the 'good' constitution.

In terms of content, the constitution needs to be 'values-based' and not because 'we have been at it for too long',or 'it is an expensive exercise'. According to the church leaders the issues they raise ( entrenching abortion on demand & equal treatment of religions) are strong enough to rob the document of most of its 'values'.

Masukuma I need to engage you on your this one. jkinyx@yahoo.com

Thank you.

@Obi, you are truly and sincerely mistaken. PEV happened because we have LOST VALUE FOR LIFE AND OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. We enjoy a law-less society. it happened in Rwanda, Czech republic e.t.c. We keep on comparing ourselves with Nations that are one people nations like UK and most of Europe but fail to understand that we are NOT ONE PEOPLE we are many!!. We must find a solution for ourselves similar to what our brothers in Tanganyika have. We must VALUE Kenya and Kenyans - a constitution is a manifestation of those values not a panacea for all our inbuilt ills. Its work that a plebiscite will not do.
ACT, DON'T REACT! for many people , passing this draft is a reaction to PEV.

I saw Njoki Ndungu Lying on Nation yesterday. She was lucky there was no sharp guy over there to blast her out of the water.

@Masukuma
We all know that is not true.... The reason there was PEV was because of some tribal chiefs that incited their communities across the country! why else were we up against each other on tribal grounds... does it mean as a luo i respect luo property but not kisii property? Why didnt we see a kikuyu destroy another kikuyu's property if that was the case?

True, we do have a country that does not have strong institutions to protect the property of individuals and that is what the proposed contitution is supposed to be doing! exactly that. If you didnt know, majority of the people saying no (politicians specifically) are saying no because the proposed constitution deals very firmly on leaders. Leaders will no longer benefit from being tribal chiefs, they wont seek electoral office if they have previously misused their office.... that is the only way to send all these goons home.... because, from the word go, they will not even qualify to present their papers to the electoral commission.... and thats why we need an electoral commission and judiciary that can bite and bite real hard... and this is the chance we have!

I agree with Mtu Biz.

The new draft constitution is not the answer to the countries problems. It is great and good leadership that is required.

A good constitution in hands of a bad leader with not serve us.

You cannot be both Kenyan and Christian at the same time. There must be separation of earthly citizenship and heavenly citizenship. As a Christian you are an ambassador send to represent your Master. This is what should inform your vote!