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guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era.What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . Reread my post. I'm not disputing that. What i'm talking about is the Kenya Govt deporting Machar's spokesman for agreeing with the UN decision If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era. What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . for all we know the option may have been given and the general, being a kenyan, refused to resign.
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Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era.What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . Reread my post. I'm not disputing that. What i'm talking about is the Kenya Govt deporting Machar's spokesman for agreeing with the UN decision true. clearly not thought out at all. but as long as those who make such bone-headed decisions face no consequences for the same, we shall continue to suffer for them.
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mkenyan wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era.What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . Reread my post. I'm not disputing that. What i'm talking about is the Kenya Govt deporting Machar's spokesman for agreeing with the UN decision true. clearly not thought out at all. but as long as those who make such bone-headed decisions face no consequences for the same, we shall continue to suffer for them. sometimes I think kuna watu who would betray their own kids or parents just to look 'cool'.
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mkenyan wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era. What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . for all we know the option may have been given and the general, being a kenyan, refused to resign. I think the UN needed to make their position public on this based on that particular attack and not being able to protect their aid workers in a country where they have forces stationed. Such an announcement should have been made by the Security Council and not the Secretary General. Looks like the stakes were too high.
BBI will solve it :)
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2012 wrote:mkenyan wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era. What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . for all we know the option may have been given and the general, being a kenyan, refused to resign. I think the UN needed to make their position public on this based on that particular attack and not being able to protect their aid workers in a country where they have forces stationed. Such an announcement should have been made by the Security Council and not the Secretary General. Looks like the stakes were too high. Can someone please educate me here. Is it mandatory for any state to participate in peace keeping missions or is it a voluntary activity? If it is mandatory, then Kenya made a mistake, but it is within her right to withdraw her troops from SS and for UN to look for a replacement. If it is voluntary, then Kenya cannot be forced to participate if it deems fit to withdraw. Anything else is hot air. ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Kaigangio wrote:2012 wrote:mkenyan wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:guard wrote:Swenani wrote:timizo wrote:I think it was unwise for Kenya to act the way it reacted.
What makes Kenya think that the UN will stomach acts of incompetence or take any chances where human life is concerned?
Even if he was innocent, he is not more important than human life.
I support the UN for calling the bluff. Does Kenya think it gives life to South Sudan and if they are not there the country would die?
In addition ...how come Kenya realized that the UN mission in South Sudan is dis-factional when our Commander was sacked? The UN offered kenya to choose a replacement for Ondieki but Kenya refused. Mean GORSS has welcomed the decision to fire the kenyan force commander Kenya is not happy with the way the General was treated.It wasn't his fault per se but structural and systemic issues for which he had no control off. Also the Head of the mission was allowed to resign and leave the mission gracefully with a note of appreciation yet the buck stopped in her office.when it came to the Kenyan he was kicked out unceremoniously...that move would anger any Commander in Chief. Kenya is behaving like an erect dick-It can't think through the consequences of it's actions-Kenya deported someone(inconsequential) who expressed an opinion on the matter and has this endangered the lives of so many Kenyan living/working in SPLM/A IO areas in South Sudan. The UN cannot pretend to Boss over Kenya.It is guilty of treating African countries like S**T,yet it lacks a mechanism of enforcing its mandate and calls upon the same countries for support.It depends on the goodwill of member States.Kenya should not agree to be bullied for the UNs systemic failures.The UN itself has refused to change with time .Most of the Mandates for these peacekeeping bodies have not been reviewed in decades.The rules of engagement remain as they were during the cold war era. What they should have done is told the General to resign quietly and avoid the drama . for all we know the option may have been given and the general, being a kenyan, refused to resign. I think the UN needed to make their position public on this based on that particular attack and not being able to protect their aid workers in a country where they have forces stationed. Such an announcement should have been made by the Security Council and not the Secretary General. Looks like the stakes were too high. Can someone please educate me here. Is it mandatory for any state to participate in peace keeping missions or is it a voluntary activity? If it is mandatory, then Kenya made a mistake, but it is within her right to withdraw her troops from SS and for UN to look for a replacement. If it is voluntary, then Kenya cannot be forced to participate if it deems fit to withdraw. Anything else is hot air. It is not mandatory-The only stupid mistake Kenya did was to deport the SPLM/A IO spokesman for agreeing(post on facebook) with what UN did ? That act alone has endangered the lives of many Kenyans and kenyan businesses in SPLM/A IO controlled states in SSD- as of now, no kenyan truck driver can drive from Uganda to Juba. Whether that spokesman would have agreed or disagreed with the UN is inconsequential, he doesn't sit on teh UN security council If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Kenyans in unity state were yesterday and last night beaten by civilians. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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