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timizo
#221 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:26:50 AM
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newfarer wrote:
There is a photo circulating with kabura and waiguru together and a miss Kenya beauty, is it for real or ni photoshop, I now Don't know who to trust. None of the accused is innocent, I think one just knows good English, nothing more than that, thieves

NGai!! You think that photo is authentic? Woii.....
FRM2011
#222 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:14:06 AM
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timizo wrote:
newfarer wrote:
There is a photo circulating with kabura and waiguru together and a miss Kenya beauty, is it for real or ni photoshop, I now Don't know who to trust. None of the accused is innocent, I think one just knows good English, nothing more than that, thieves

NGai!! You think that photo is authentic? Woii.....



@newfarer, hapo umenoa. This cartel is not giving up. They are still trying to spin one tale after another.
tycho
#223 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:22:01 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
timizo wrote:
newfarer wrote:
There is a photo circulating with kabura and waiguru together and a miss Kenya beauty, is it for real or ni photoshop, I now Don't know who to trust. None of the accused is innocent, I think one just knows good English, nothing more than that, thieves

NGai!! You think that photo is authentic? Woii.....



@newfarer, hapo umenoa. This cartel is not giving up. They are still trying to spin one tale after another.


The bigger spin is when we debate such issues on wazua. 'Carthasis, confusion, and playing that we know much about what's happening and being critiques'. The 'system' always has a way of keeping everything under its wrap.

Like here, wazua never sets any agenda. It follows the politicians and the media. There's a marked absence of thought...
FRM2011
#224 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:28:59 AM
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Just wondering, with the new cbk rules on cash transactions not to exceed kes. 1m, there must be guys keeping tens or hundreds of millions in cash in their houses.
The nice thing here is if the money gets stolen, they can't report for obvious reasons.

My evil alter-ego mode. If am a rogue cop, just follow a govt tender until payment is done. Get the key guy, collect your cut by force. They won't report anywhere.

tycho
#225 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21:26 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:

Just wondering, with the new cbk rules on cash transactions not to exceed kes. 1m, there must be guys keeping tens or hundreds of millions in cash in their houses.
The nice thing here is if the money gets stolen, they can't report for obvious reasons.

My evil alter-ego mode. If am a rogue cop, just follow a govt tender until payment is done. Get the key guy, collect your cut by force. They won't report anywhere.



Fantasy.
kaka2za
#226 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:10:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Just wondering, with the new cbk rules on cash transactions not to exceed kes. 1m, there must be guys keeping tens or hundreds of millions in cash in their houses.
The nice thing here is if the money gets stolen, they can't report for obvious reasons.

My evil alter-ego mode. If am a rogue cop, just follow a govt tender until payment is done. Get the key guy, collect your cut by force. They won't report anywhere.



Fantasy.


In Kenya, millions change hands in petrol stations and quarries. Wise criminals should mark these areas.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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sitaki.kujulikana
#227 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:47:09 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
tycho wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Just wondering, with the new cbk rules on cash transactions not to exceed kes. 1m, there must be guys keeping tens or hundreds of millions in cash in their houses.
The nice thing here is if the money gets stolen, they can't report for obvious reasons.

My evil alter-ego mode. If am a rogue cop, just follow a govt tender until payment is done. Get the key guy, collect your cut by force. They won't report anywhere.



Fantasy.


In Kenya, millions change hands in petrol stations and quarries. Wise criminals should mark these areas.

smile but its the criminals who transact those millions, so they have the areas well marked
2012
#228 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:53:22 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).

BBI will solve it
:)
murchr
#229 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:14:08 PM
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2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Swenani
#230 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 8:41:51 PM
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murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


It will be unjust to jail kabura without jailing someone from the ministry/civil service
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
masukuma
#231 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 8:42:23 PM
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huyo Kabura.... ni kabura bonoko
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Bigchick
#232 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 8:48:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:


huyo Kabura....


Photoshop.
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2012
#233 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:29:02 PM
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Joined: 12/9/2009
Posts: 6,592
Location: Nairobi
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?

BBI will solve it
:)
Gathige
#234 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:57:10 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
tycho wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Just wondering, with the new cbk rules on cash transactions not to exceed kes. 1m, there must be guys keeping tens or hundreds of millions in cash in their houses.
The nice thing here is if the money gets stolen, they can't report for obvious reasons.

My evil alter-ego mode. If am a rogue cop, just follow a govt tender until payment is done. Get the key guy, collect your cut by force. They won't report anywhere.



Fantasy.


In Kenya, millions change hands in petrol stations and quarries. Wise criminals should mark these areas.



@kaka, when you hear Kabura saying she was paying her workers 100m at Ongata Rongai quarry who were working day and night, the night shift was for the goons.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
masukuma
#235 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:40:42 PM
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Bigchick wrote:
masukuma wrote:


huyo Kabura....


Photoshop.


actually from this photo (it must be less than 4 years old - mambo ya devolution and miss [INSERT COUNTY NAME HERE]),
So either Kabura amechapa sana cos kabura tunaye mjua ni huyu

YGuru ambaye ako kwa hii picha ni YGuru yule ambaye alikuwa kwa PSC lakini.... Kabura?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
timizo
#236 Posted : Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:32:24 PM
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?


@2012, I have followed your comments on this thread and based on your arguments, I can tell that you are neither a lawyer or an accountant and/or you never followed these live proceedings and you are relying on the newspapers and TV news which brings only sections plus journalists distortions. For your information, Kabura has already been charged with the theft of NYS money..... do you want to tell us that you know better than the DPP? You know most Kenyans think that there has been no progress from the DPP on the NYS case just because Waiguru has not been charged.... People are already in court.... Kwani watu hawasomi Gazeti or watch news?...Ngai!!!
murchr
#237 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:13:21 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
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2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?


Google....the laws of Kenya are online and the case is in court, she stands charged
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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2012
#238 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:17:53 AM
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timizo wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?


@2012, I have followed your comments on this thread and based on your arguments, I can tell that you are neither a lawyer or an accountant and/or you never followed these live proceedings and you are relying on the newspapers and TV news which brings only sections plus journalists distortions. For your information, Kabura has already been charged with the theft of NYS money..... do you want to tell us that you know better than the DPP? You know most Kenyans think that there has been no progress from the DPP on the NYS case just because Waiguru has not been charged.... People are already in court.... Kwani watu hawasomi Gazeti or watch news?...Ngai!!!


@Timizo, I know all that but now, try to think of 'beyond reasonable doubt', remove feelings from this and think law. I will assure you that the cartel will get a a great lawyer like the one who sat next to her and she'll be out. This lady never applied for the tender, she was paid by the issuer of the LPO based on their LPO, she delivered nothing and hence no delivery notes, she was extremely unqualified for anything and is semi-literate (in my opinion). Any good lawyer will argue that she just found money in her account. Objectively what she did is launder money, money came into her account and she moved it to fictitious accounts. In my opinion the most she can get for crimes based on documentary and witness evidence (and there are no witnesses against her so far) is 2yrs behind bars. Anyway, let's wait and see as this is no different from pastor Paul Patni's Golden berg, only that unlike Patni who originated G'berd, we all know Kabura is intellectually incapable to have masterminded this.
Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that she's very guilty, I'm saying that if we get too focused on the scapegoat, the real caprits will get away scot-free and isn't that the only purpose for a scapegoat?

BBI will solve it
:)
murchr
#239 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:41:03 AM
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Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
2012 wrote:
timizo wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?


@2012, I have followed your comments on this thread and based on your arguments, I can tell that you are neither a lawyer or an accountant and/or you never followed these live proceedings and you are relying on the newspapers and TV news which brings only sections plus journalists distortions. For your information, Kabura has already been charged with the theft of NYS money..... do you want to tell us that you know better than the DPP? You know most Kenyans think that there has been no progress from the DPP on the NYS case just because Waiguru has not been charged.... People are already in court.... Kwani watu hawasomi Gazeti or watch news?...Ngai!!!


@Timizo, I know all that but now, try to think of 'beyond reasonable doubt', remove feelings from this and think law. I will assure you that the cartel will get a a great lawyer like the one who sat next to her and she'll be out. This lady never applied for the tender, she was paid by the issuer of the LPO based on their LPO, she delivered nothing and hence no delivery notes, she was extremely unqualified for anything and is semi-literate (in my opinion). Any good lawyer will argue that she just found money in her account. Objectively what she did is launder money, money came into her account and she moved it to fictitious accounts. In my opinion the most she can get for crimes based on documentary and witness evidence (and there are no witnesses against her so far) is 2yrs behind bars. Anyway, let's wait and see ad this is no different from pastor Paul Patni's Goldenberg.
Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that she's very guilty, I'm saying that if we get too focused on the scapegoat, the real caprits will get away scot-free and isn't that the only purpose for a scapegoat?


Lets say that she changes her story to as you say (because she categorically claims that she was approached by the procurement dept to supply goods) so after receiving the first batch of 600M which got in the account in batches of 60 30 50 etc did she notify the police or the bank of unexplained moneys from the ministry of Planning? If not then she would be liable of money laundering and handling stolen property. FYI she is the main suspect. The moneys were traced to her account from the ministry of planning.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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timizo
#240 Posted : Sunday, November 06, 2016 9:23:00 AM
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2012 wrote:
timizo wrote:
2012 wrote:
murchr wrote:
2012 wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.

Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept

Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine smile


For what crime? For getting a govt tender and being paid?


Kabura can only be found guilty of money laundering or tax evasion. The rest is not for her to prove. Of course the guys who approved the payments on the system will follow the script and say they got orders from the top (cs).


Seriously, are you so desperate to exonerate a conspirator? If you conspire to defraud, you are equally guilty


@murchr,legally from what you've heard so far, what would you prosecute her with?


@2012, I have followed your comments on this thread and based on your arguments, I can tell that you are neither a lawyer or an accountant and/or you never followed these live proceedings and you are relying on the newspapers and TV news which brings only sections plus journalists distortions. For your information, Kabura has already been charged with the theft of NYS money..... do you want to tell us that you know better than the DPP? You know most Kenyans think that there has been no progress from the DPP on the NYS case just because Waiguru has not been charged.... People are already in court.... Kwani watu hawasomi Gazeti or watch news?...Ngai!!!


@Timizo, I know all that but now, try to think of 'beyond reasonable doubt', remove feelings from this and think law. I will assure you that the cartel will get a a great lawyer like the one who sat next to her and she'll be out. This lady never applied for the tender, she was paid by the issuer of the LPO based on their LPO, she delivered nothing and hence no delivery notes, she was extremely unqualified for anything and is semi-literate (in my opinion). Any good lawyer will argue that she just found money in her account. Objectively what she did is launder money, money came into her account and she moved it to fictitious accounts. In my opinion the most she can get for crimes based on documentary and witness evidence (and there are no witnesses against her so far) is 2yrs behind bars. Anyway, let's wait and see as this is no different from pastor Paul Patni's Golden berg, only that unlike Patni who originated G'berd, we all know Kabura is intellectually incapable to have masterminded this.
Now, I'm not disagreeing with you that she's very guilty, I'm saying that if we get too focused on the scapegoat, the real caprits will get away scot-free and isn't that the only purpose for a scapegoat?


Let's wait and see the outcome and I hope by that time, this thread will be here....She gets money in her account, and distributes the money to people that the CID has determined through phone records had been in communication with her before the loss occurred and ministry officials who have also been charged and you think the court will just think she was not part of this. By the way, more than 10 people have been charged with this theft and a good number from the ministry.
No wonder you started this thread to express how sorry you felt for her and asking how she could be helped.
So, in your opinion, who is the main mastermind?
In addition and with all due respect, I do not feel I should continue engaging with you especially after the statement highlighted in red which starts with "The rest is not........... This statement and most of your arguments just confirms something about you.
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