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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 304
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2012 wrote:Liv wrote:I am waiting to see how the media will report this..... I think the media was also corrupted given how they had reported about Waiguru.... Without facts.
I noted PAC Chair asking questions on issues that lack substance... Just to prove a point which does not hold water.
The government as an employer lost a good employee and a person of integrity in Waiguru. If Waiguru is innocent then Mangiti is guilty. It's either or. Mangiti is guilty that I know for a fact going by his past..I guess his 40 days expired at NYS
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/31/2007 Posts: 304
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murchr wrote:Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:2012 wrote:timizo wrote:Surprised that some suggest that Kabura has no case to answer. Have people forgotten that the NYS was a fraud where zero's were added meaning that Kabura was paid for goods/services that were not delivered. Being a beneficiary, even if she was acting for other people, she cannot get away with it.....only in a banana republic.
Investigations has shown that those withdrawals were actually not physical withdrawals.....She and here accomplices would walk to cashier, have a record of cash deposit and cash withdrawals without money leaving the cashier. And the deposits were to Companies owned by Ben Gethi - a suspect who was already in court for forgery on an IEBC tender. Is this not money laundering?
Investigations has also shown that she had lied on oath....How come people thinks she has done nothing wrong?
All I'm saying is it will be difficult to prove the actual case against her and that's why she was smiling. In government, you get the LPO, get a loan from the bank, supply, wait for payment, refund bank, keep profits. The govt pays after veryfing goods or service have been delivered and meet the standards. So in Kabura's case someone ok'ed the undelivered goods and made payments, there were even no delivery notes. It will be very hard to prosecute her for the actual crime we all know. It would have been impossible for Kabura, a former hairdresser from Kinoo to authorise the exchequer to move money to her accounts. On a different note, I really felt sorry for Eng Mangiti,but ajibebe musalaba yake. Boss....clearly you did not follow the proceedings. The LPOs are said to be fake, they have no ones signature. Kabura is the main suspect here and she will go down for fraud, conspirancy to defraud the govt, money laundering, lying under oath among others. who is in custody of 'the money'? When she was withdrawing amounts in mass (100M, 52M, 30M sometimes 1M, 5M) which she claimed that she was going to pay workers at a quarry in Ngong....she was depositing in accounts some of which belong to Ben Gethi, Kago the KCB driver, Crispin Sankale among others who she doesn't want to mention. not on her end... what she does with her 'money' is really her business - she could be wanting to buy sand for arabs or get into a business to sell ice to eskimos... my question is... AT ONE POINT HIYO PESA ILIKUWA KWA GAVA! IKATOKA... KUNA MTU HULIPANA... (ACCOUNTS PAYABLES GUY). it must have a physical signature... who is this guy who signs for GOK? unless GOK says it was fraud - someone forged the signature of the person who normally instructs the bank to release money. OK. Not followed this storo but si IFMIS should have a system audit trail showing who did what??? Even hizo PO. The PO has a number. You track it kwa mtandao and see who originated it(by requisition or PO) who approved the documents(requisition,PO, Payment Voucher) Who received goods Who converted Goods Received Document to Supplier invoice Now do you see the system has a weakness and needs an overhaul? IFMIS is a very robust system with clear checks and balances.However no system in the world can prevent fraud in the event of collusion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Have been busy all day and was not able to watch the grilling.From the comments here....I want to associate myself with #teamwaigurunisafikamapamba#. Am also very afraid for the DP and the marriage between Kiuks and Kales.Hapa kuna shida..Ndoa iko karibu kuvunjika. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Bigchick wrote:Have been busy all day and was not able to watch the grilling.From the comments here....I want to associate myself with #teamwaigurunisafikamapamba#.
Am also very afraid for the DP and the marriage between Kiuks and Kales.Hapa kuna shida..Ndoa iko karibu kuvunjika. All along I believed she was guilty until I watched her today
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Shak wrote:Bigchick wrote:Have been busy all day and was not able to watch the grilling.From the comments here....I want to associate myself with #teamwaigurunisafikamapamba#.
Am also very afraid for the DP and the marriage between Kiuks and Kales.Hapa kuna shida..Ndoa iko karibu kuvunjika. All along I believed she was guilty until I watched her today Unfortunately in Kenya you're guilty first. No one cares for facts, we would rather shout corruption then look for the evidence instead of the other way round. Now i understand the theory of middle class idealism, where the wealthy look for domination and the poor are too troubled to care, the man in the middle only has idealism to clutch on too. We are too impatient to wait for processes and institutions and believe without reasoning and/or counter checking. The constitution has been read on our behalf, the Bible/Quran is being interpreted for us. Very easy to be manipulated with people with agendas that we think belong to us. Happy to seat back and let the Kanyaris, Kurias, Alais, Rogos etc drive the narrative.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Shak wrote:Bigchick wrote:Have been busy all day and was not able to watch the grilling.From the comments here....I want to associate myself with #teamwaigurunisafikamapamba#.
Am also very afraid for the DP and the marriage between Kiuks and Kales.Hapa kuna shida..Ndoa iko karibu kuvunjika. All along I believed she was guilty until I watched her today Unfortunately in Kenya you're guilty first. No one cares for facts, we would rather shout corruption then look for the evidence instead of the other way round. Now i understand the theory of middle class idealism, where the wealthy look for domination and the poor are too troubled to care, the man in the middle only has idealism to clutch on too. We are too impatient to wait for processes and institutions and believe without reasoning and/or counter checking. The constitution has been read on our behalf, the Bible/Quran is being interpreted for us. Very easy to be manipulated by people with agendas that we think belong to us. Happy to seat back and let the Kanyaris, Kurias, Alais, Rogos etc drive the narrative.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Am looking for part 2, after taking the 25min break ****UPDATE here it is***** "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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And the lady was well dressed.I just like her. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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In China, Xi is crying at the intensification of corruption. Yet China has one of the toughest positions against corruption.
So you can imagine how sophisticated and convincing the corrupt can be. Add how it is easy to sway the masses with controlled information and well scripted behavior and you may begin to see how taking sides is detrimental to one's health.
Yet many of us are now willing to judge even what they scarcely understand
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Bigchick wrote:Have been busy all day and was not able to watch the grilling.From the comments here....I want to associate myself with #teamwaigurunisafikamapamba#.
Am also very afraid for the DP and the marriage between Kiuks and Kales.Hapa kuna shida..Ndoa iko karibu kuvunjika. For a moment there, we all thought nys belonged to the tna wing. We were wrong. All these cscandals belong to the masters inside urp. Kusema na kutender.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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It will be very interesting to see what the report the PAC comes up with and how Bunge will eventually vote. There is CORD especially the Luo Nyanza wing not wanting to contradict Raila who already said Waiguru was guilty, the URP wing who I suspect will never forgive her for Rugut's exit and TNA wanting to support their person. Again, because the Media has also judged her, each MP will be hesitant to be seen to side with her. That is the sad thing about a political system.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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timizo wrote:It will be very interesting to see what the report the PAC comes up with and how Bunge will eventually vote. There is CORD especially the Luo Nyanza wing not wanting to contradict Raila who already said Waiguru was guilty, the URP wing who I suspect will never forgive her for Rugut's exit and TNA wanting to support their person. Again, because the Media has also judged her, each MP will be hesitant to be seen to side with her. That is the sad thing about a political system. That will be very interesting to watch, in a court of law, she will be declared innocent, will the rest be "hanged"? What happened to Maryanne Keitany with the 200M? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:timizo wrote:It will be very interesting to see what the report the PAC comes up with and how Bunge will eventually vote. There is CORD especially the Luo Nyanza wing not wanting to contradict Raila who already said Waiguru was guilty, the URP wing who I suspect will never forgive her for Rugut's exit and TNA wanting to support their person. Again, because the Media has also judged her, each MP will be hesitant to be seen to side with her. That is the sad thing about a political system. That will be very interesting to watch, in a court of law, she will be declared innocent, will the rest be "hanged"? What happened to Maryanne Keitany with the 200M? I agree. In a court of law, she has no case...no wonder no agency has recommended for her prosecution.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Taurrus wrote:Dunia ni duara! yani the biggest issue US erections ni Email!!! Endangering national security, lying under oath, dishonesty and subversion of justice are very serious offenses, and are crimes that would make a candidate banned from running for president even in banana republics. That is how serious that email scandal is. What is becoming apparent is that digital systems will be determining leaders going forward... in kenya it's IFMIS, in the US it's emails... hacking of emails...Russians.... not surrendering emails... use of private servers. People will now be communicating using ephemeral messaging! kweli mambo ni digital.. I am waiting for whatsapp to get it's time in the sun (Bro Ochola style) Would calls via whatsapp leave footprint at safaricom?
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/3/2015 Posts: 126 Location: Nairobi
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Some interesting things to note about Waiguru's appearance..... When her accusers appeared in the PAC, their word about Waiguru was gospel truth without need for evidence. For Waiguru, she was asked to backup every statement.....she had the best flow of information, but was the most interrupted. She was even asked about irrelevant things.... and MPS from Baba's backyard asked may be more than 70% of the questions....they may have been the most diligent or were looking for evidence for baba to support him in the defamation suit filed by Waiguru...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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timizo wrote:Some interesting things to note about Waiguru's appearance..... When her accusers appeared in the PAC, their word about Waiguru was gospel truth without need for evidence. For Waiguru, she was asked to backup every statement.....she had the best flow of information, but was the most interrupted. She was even asked about irrelevant things.... and MPS from Baba's backyard asked may be more than 70% of the questions....they may have been the most diligent or were looking for evidence for baba to support him in the defamation suit filed by Waiguru... I found that very disturbing. And I think the reason why we are not able to find solutions is because we have stupid leaders. Am sorry to say but the questions being asked were mostly foolish. John Mbadi, Abdikadir are the only people who asked reasonable questions. Gumbo is useless, i dont even know how he got to head such a committee, why not Mbadi? Then the women mps...eish, mara flower girls, representing women....ei, decorum is highly needed. Now we understand JJ's tweet and why he was getting cosy with Ahmednasir "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/14/2014 Posts: 332 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Taurrus wrote:Dunia ni duara! yani the biggest issue US erections ni Email!!! Endangering national security, lying under oath, dishonesty and subversion of justice are very serious offenses, and are crimes that would make a candidate banned from running for president even in banana republics. That is how serious that email scandal is. What is becoming apparent is that digital systems will be determining leaders going forward... in kenya it's IFMIS, in the US it's emails... hacking of emails...Russians.... not surrendering emails... use of private servers. People will now be communicating using ephemeral messaging! kweli mambo ni digital.. I am waiting for whatsapp to get it's time in the sun (Bro Ochola style) Would calls via whatsapp leave footprint at safaricom? Man! what reasoning is that? We have three network providers.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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timizo wrote:Even the biggest enemies of Waiguru will admit that that lady is sharp and made of steel. And she is clean And whoever tried to fix her now realises that the Jubilee administration itself is at the risk of going home at 8 A.M. come August 7 2017. The evidence leads to one of the head honchos of the administration. The one that Baba once referred to as the high priest. Murkomen is one shady fellow but i digress Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:Taurrus wrote:Dunia ni duara! yani the biggest issue US erections ni Email!!! Endangering national security, lying under oath, dishonesty and subversion of justice are very serious offenses, and are crimes that would make a candidate banned from running for president even in banana republics. That is how serious that email scandal is. What is becoming apparent is that digital systems will be determining leaders going forward... in kenya it's IFMIS, in the US it's emails... hacking of emails...Russians.... not surrendering emails... use of private servers. People will now be communicating using ephemeral messaging! kweli mambo ni digital.. I am waiting for whatsapp to get it's time in the sun (Bro Ochola style) Would calls via whatsapp leave footprint at safaricom? Records would show session data usage by "an agent" (agent being whatsapp) ...as for destination, called parties, Safcom wouldn't be able to provide that...only Whatsapp (and probably the NSA, though Whatsapp says the channels are encrypted) can give actual call records
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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murchr wrote:timizo wrote:Some interesting things to note about Waiguru's appearance..... When her accusers appeared in the PAC, their word about Waiguru was gospel truth without need for evidence. For Waiguru, she was asked to backup every statement.....she had the best flow of information, but was the most interrupted. She was even asked about irrelevant things.... and MPS from Baba's backyard asked may be more than 70% of the questions....they may have been the most diligent or were looking for evidence for baba to support him in the defamation suit filed by Waiguru... I found that very disturbing. And I think the reason why we are not able to find solutions is because we have stupid leaders. Am sorry to say but the questions being asked were mostly foolish. John Mbadi, Abdikadir are the only people who asked reasonable questions. Gumbo is useless, i dont even know how he got to head such a committee, why not Mbadi? Then the women mps...eish, mara flower girls, representing women....ei, decorum is highly needed. Now we understand JJ's tweet and why he was getting cosy with Ahmednasir @murchr, I have seen this document being shared by cord bloggers on Twitter. Is it a true record ? The cord guys are really focussing on a Mr. Gatheca muhoho who was communicating regularly with Ben Gethi. If it's from waiguru's submissions, then things can only get murkier. Our people have a saying about " muici na mundu muka......."
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