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ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? E.X.A.C.T.L.Y! "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote: 27. (1) A person commits an offence where the person— (a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18 fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from further attendance by the person presiding at the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record in the person’s possession, custody or control which the person has been required to produce under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote: 27. (1) A person commits an offence where the person— (a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18 fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from further attendance by the person presiding at the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record in the person’s possession, custody or control which the person has been required to produce under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness Can what you say before those committee be used against you in the courts, ama its just a court of public opinion where the worst that can happen to one is to poteza public face.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? E.X.A.C.T.L.Y! I mean do they have some defined deliverables, if the committee is receiving allowance and not delivering what difference exists between them and the one they are accusing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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alma1 wrote:RichVee wrote:We need a Kenyan John Grisham to write real life sequels based on our corruption cases. She owns 20 sole proprietor companies! If the truth were to be laid bare, i wonder how many people would go to jail with her. What corruption are you talking about? This is another Raira gimmick. I remember fellows on this very forum screaming and cursing how Raila is just talking about corruption at NYS because Kibera has at last been modified. The same people are now writing how the health ministry is the imagination of chocho mendia and NTV. That is not a John Grisham book, that's a Steven King book. Where zombies walk around following the sound of the master. If the master says Raira, the zombies say "will never be president". Meanwhile the zombie king is drinking the blood of their children. Hiyo ni Steven King. Kind like the TV program The Strain. Honestly this is funny . I always say smart Kenyans will judge leaders by their current deeds and not mass political sycophants hiding in tribal mushroom heads. I copied this from somewhere guys: If you ask them to point out one thing what raila has ever done to them they won't say, but when the tribal mushroom leader shouts "RAIIIRAAA", promptly without a haste they immidiately follow "wirr neffer efer efer be plesident" Their tax money is stolen ,their tribal leader says "raila" they promptly follow too" gitio agenge will never be president kosobet".. whatever that means Their people are lying in the hospital bed with no medication ,no doctors ,no nurses because they are on strike ...their tribal leader follows them to hospital ,looks at them in the eye and gently whisper in their ear" shhh laila!!!!", they shout back " WIRR NEFER BE PLESIDENT!!!!!" The tribal leader gets upset at them for yelling and tells them " chezea chini , did you see me shouting ??" He repeats the same words in low voice "laila!", the dying men answers in whispers "wirr nefer be plesident!!!" Finally the tribal leader comes to their funeral where the masses are gathered and shouts even before he gives a eulogy of his dying sycophant"RAIRAAAAA", the brothers ,sisters ,mother and all fire back with clenched fists "WIRR NEFER BE PLESIDENT!!!!!! ".The poor man is laid to rest and the tribal leader goes looking for the relatives and start trailing them with the same slogans .. That's our Kenya .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?
Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?
Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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hardwood wrote:What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?
Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?
Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth? With Kenyans like you,we don't need any enemies. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote: 27. (1) A person commits an offence where the person— (a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18 fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from further attendance by the person presiding at the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record in the person’s possession, custody or control which the person has been required to produce under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness if you refuse to take the oath? since anyone is sane mind cannot knowingly make a case for others ama I am missing something? ukisema I don't intend to perjure myself so I will not take the oath. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/1/2008 Posts: 1,098
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kaka2za wrote:hardwood wrote:What crime has Kabura committed? She was awarded a tender to supply construction materials such as hardcore, building stones, ballast etc for NYS projects which she did and was paid for goods delivered. When you go to quarry to source materials you tell those guys there to load hardcore or stones for you and pay them cash. You do not ask them for invoices before you pay. Same with the lorries that transport the materials for you. Munahesabu ni ngapi and pay each other cash cash. The only documents kabura was supposed to have are the delivery notes for the materials submitted and stamped by NYS and she submitted those documents and was paid. So what other documents does this committee require?
Also once someone pays money into my account, is it anyone else's business to know how I withdraw the money how much i withdraw and how i carry it home and pay the workers, if I have security while carrying the cash and any other nonsense etc?
Also when a regular kenyan woman like Kabura wins a tender to kumwaga material, people complain, when Ouru's cousin wins they still complain that it is humble "kabura" who should have been given. Munataka nini jameni? So do you people want women to come from mars to take up those 30% tenders set aside for women and youth? With Kenyans like you,we don't need any enemies. The figures that were read there were quite humongous! It is likely the culprits still have some of it with them. With the PAC having retreated to hear the matter in private, could they trade in kenyans for their stomachs as they are known to do. If they are offered 10M each to water down this issue, would they refuse? Are they even known to refuse bribes at PAC?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:By the way - someone illuminate something d me. is not attending a parliamentary committee hearing criminal? I know you can be summoned but do you have to go? Is it a judicial proceeding? When summoned and are called - do you have to answer? I guess you can remain quiet and not field any questions. Yes it is a crime. Its like not going to court when given a judicial summon. Sheria wrote: 27. (1) A person commits an offence where the person— (a) having been duly summoned in terms of section 18 fails, without sufficient cause to—
(i) attend at the time and place specified in the summons; or
(ii) remain in attendance until excused from further attendance by the person presiding at the inquiry;
(b) when called upon under section 18, refuses to be sworn in or to make an affirmation as a witness; or
(c) fails or disobeys without sufficient cause to—
(i) answer fully and satisfactorily all questions lawfully put to the person under section 18;
(ii) produce any document, paper, book or record in the person’s possession, custody or control which the person has been required to produce under section 18.
(2) A person who commits an offence under subsection
(1) is liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding two hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both.
Even feigning ignorance is an offence. But why are people "feeling sorry"? She needs to produce everyone involved and stop acting. What is section 18? Si even in court you are not required to say anything - why would you incriminate yourself? PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES PART V—SUMMONING OF WITNESSES 18—Invitation and summoning of witnesses.You shouldn't say anything to police because they can use it against you. (Rem its you vs state). But summons where you take an oath, you are required to say nothing but the truth. If you fail to comply you are either a hostile witness or refractory witness Can what you say before those committee be used against you in the courts, ama its just a court of public opinion where the worst that can happen to one is to poteza public face. The court admits evidence brought before it. Its up to the prosecutor "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:murchr wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:what is the parliamentary committee supposed to achieve Justify the members sitting allowances Really?? Yap, what has any parliamentary committee even done for Kenyans?????????? E.X.A.C.T.L.Y! I mean do they have some defined deliverables, if the committee is receiving allowance and not delivering what difference exists between them and the one they are accusing. #SystemYaMajambaziThe man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere. Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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murchr wrote:This case, the one of that pitching guy who installed and ERP just shows the procurement system is broken somewhere.
Kabura is/was being used as a conduit. She received contract not just from NYS but lands, sports etc...clearly someone in government was giving these contract.......esp those who civil servants in the procurement dept Let Kabura aende Langata Womens' ili iwe funzo kwa wengine In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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