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why do i vote YES for Kenya proposed constitution
Wendz
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:50:45 AM
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@chep

You are right.... he can only be called as a witness if need be... I was wrong.
chepkel
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:32:28 AM
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@Wendz, Wewe ni mpoa. I like you
Wendz
#33 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:58:13 AM
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@chep

I called a lawyer friend to confirm because i remember one time we had a case where we had gotten into an agreement based on islamic law and they had to call a khadhi for interpretation. thats what i was confusing with.
chepkel
#34 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:13:44 AM
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It would be great if Kenyans would have sober discussions like this ones. When one is wrong admit it, when you are not sure ask and not stick to one mindset. Halafu mtu anachukua panga and after all that anabaki vile vile. After what i saw in 2007 am really really scared. How am i going to protect my child and family from extremists???
Mpenzi
#35 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:47:46 AM
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@Wendz and chepkel

If an appeal arises from a matter heard in the first instance by the Kadhi's court, the High Court or the Court of Appeal, as the case may be, has to examine and apply the law that was applied in arriving at the Kadhi's court decision ie Islamic law. But at that appellate level, the court is not sitting as a Kadhis court by as the High Court or the Court of Appeal in which case there is no issue of a Kadhi determining the appeal.But a Kadhi or other expert in Islamic law may be called, not to give an interpretation, but as a witness to give evidence on Islamic law in question. The appeal judge or judges then determine the appeal on their own.

As a point of addition, law schools in Kenya do incorporate a bit of Islamic law in their curricula particularly in the Family Law and Succession course, as it is expected that the students will later on need such knowledge as lawyers or as judges.
Fundaah
#36 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:31:31 AM
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Mpenzi wrote:

As a point of addition, law schools in Kenya do incorporate a bit of Islamic law in their curricula particularly in the Family Law and Succession course, as it is expected that the students will later on need such knowledge as lawyers or as judges.



Very important point ....and that is why Kadhis courts at lower levels in the constitution are in order...we need to accomodate our muslim brothers....an very importantly preach to them to accept that there is no other way to the Father in heaven except through His Son Jesus Christ....this should not however be forced down their throats ....but through free will....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
nanfor1
#37 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:38:19 AM
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(22) Every person has right to institute court proceedings claiming fundamental freedom has been infringed. No fee may be charged for commencing the proceedings. The court shall not be unreasonably restricted by procedural technicalities.

If there is anything that i believe we should read again and again, it is this point.

Long gone will be the days when your "friend" can pay the cop a few bucks to have you sleep in jail.

Lets not forget,robery with violence for stealing a chicken.

I just love this section and just for that,I will bring my grandmother to the poll. She was once slapped by a policeman.

As for the life clause

Does it now mean that the churches will agitate for the elimination of the death penalty? Or is there life of lesser value than mine?
Hata wakizima taa
masukuma
#38 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:42:17 AM
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@Mpenzi, why specifically Islamic? i have heard of the nonsense of Judeo-Christian philosophies which is total Hog Wash. Christians believe in forgive and forget, turning the other cheek e.t.c. these are not in the constitution nor is their "spirit".
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chepkel
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:46:43 AM
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@ Mpenzi. Thank you for the clarification.

Do these Kadhi's have to be trained lawyers/magistrates/judges or anyone with knowledge of Islamic law qualifies to be a kadhi. I heard that there was alot of corruption and cases were not handled very well.
nanfor1
#40 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:50:43 AM
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chepkel wrote:
@ Mpenzi. Thank you for the clarification.

Do these Kadhi's have to be trained lawyers/magistrates/judges or anyone with knowledge of Islamic law qualifies to be a kadhi. I heard that there was alot of corruption and cases were not handled very well.


I am not privy to the corruption in Kadhis courts. However, I do know that there is a lot of that going on in the other courts. Ask anyone who has lost file there.

I also know that these courts are the worst maintained courts in the country. They are actually an eyesore.
Hata wakizima taa
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