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KENOL/KOBIL
Surealligator
#11 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:28:46 AM
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@guru267

Morning sir. Was the 4.7 billion awarded to Kenol included in their current financial report?
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guru267
#12 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:36:35 AM
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morning @surealligator but actually i'm not a sir i'm a madamoiselle...

i dont the 4.7 billion was included in the results but it got 300million from sale of assets....
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Horton
#13 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:38:13 AM
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there was an appeal for the KPC which was a non-starter(ie its in KK's favour) according to people familiar with the matter, however, they didnt announce the outcome yesterday....quite interesting!!!


They have Shareholder Equity of 11B, which is huge!! and they havent announced the KPC award
muganda
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:53:06 AM
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@female guru, agreed. Results are strangely beautiful at the bottomline but surprising elsewhere.

guru267 wrote:
nice but this is a once off because the real operating profits up only 12% and sales were down...


Sales down
Operating margin down
Dividends down
Horton
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:09:23 AM
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muganda wrote:
@female guru, agreed. Results are strangely beautiful at the bottomline but surprising elsewhere.

guru267 wrote:
nice but this is a once off because the real operating profits up only 12% and sales were down...


Sales down
Operating margin down
Dividends down



SAles were down because fuel prices were much lower

ie 2008 fuel was sitting pretty at $110+
ie 2009 it was between $30-80

however volumes were UP!!
guru267
#16 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:36:13 AM
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this stock is headed for good things with the planned 2.5bob increase in pump prices and with oil expected to trade at $95-$100 within 3months
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ProverB
#17 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:34:42 AM
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guru267 wrote:
this stock is headed for good things with the planned 2.5bob increase in pump prices and with oil expected to trade at $95-$100 within 3months

I disagree my friend...price hike boosts revenues...not necessarily profits hence shareholder values..any potential increase in share price will thus be more a matter of misinformation..ama "malinformation"(not enough info!!) Probable increas in profits is more likely if price hike is accompanied by increased demand,market share growth and reduced costs.

Let me cut on theories..

Fact
2008; Kenol revenues (per share) kshs914.01!!!..i need to repeat that.. 914.01!
Earnings per share..kshs 8.37 ??? a margin of less than 1%

For every sh 1 in revenue..final profit to share holder was less than 1 CENT!!!!!


Total Kenya revenues (per share) = kshs313.07
EPS... = kshs 4.02 margin of about 1%

2009; Kenol revenues kshs 656.99
EPS kshs8.80..margin of 1.3%

Total Revenues (per share...173,013,000) Kshs 238.77
EPS (on 173,013,000) = kshs2.79
margin of 1.16

this price hike is nothing to write home about... we've seen more severe ones in 2008-09 than these and they did not amount to much for shareholders..

only speculators and guys trading on behavioral patterns of retail investors should be excited.. after all.. how many guys buying today know how much kenol/total revenues translate into shareholder value..?
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mv_ufanisi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:11:16 AM
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This is a great stock - they can easily pass costs to consumers and they have sufficient moat. Oil companies make money as the oil prices go up as their existing inventory becomes more valuable. KenolKobil recently bought 600,000 barrels of crude. This is a company to watch.

Looking forward to the AGM later this month so they let us know about that 4.5 billion & the status of all the acquisitions being made.
ProverB
#19 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:47:29 AM
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mv_ufanisi wrote:
This is a great stock - they can easily pass costs to consumers and they have sufficient moat. Oil companies make money as the oil prices go up as their existing inventory becomes more valuable. KenolKobil recently bought 600,000 barrels of crude. This is a company to watch.

Looking forward to the AGM later this month so they let us know about that 4.5 billion & the status of all the acquisitions being made.


there is a thread here about fundamentals..differentiating hopes from what actually is on ground... question on this one is whether increase in pump prices will translate into shareholder wealth.. i do not think so... because similar hikes in previous years did no such thing. how much of that shs 2-5 at the pump will come into my pocket??

please note... rise in share price is mostly behavioral..on investor perception...not fundamental confirmation..
..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
- 1769 Oxford King James Bible 'Authorized Version
winston
#20 Posted : Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:34:44 PM
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What will stop Kenol/Kobil reserving the awarded/settlement cash (from KPC) and later using it to buy shares in KPC either before or after KPC IPO? That way shareholders will reap the benefits of dominant positions in the distribution network and the retail market at the same time!
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