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Legendary Corner: Who's Greater, James Mwangi or Michael Joseph?
Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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obiero wrote:everything in Equity will look fine until the economy recesses. Thats when some will understand that the guy wit a net pay less than 10K shld not have been worth the hustle. These guys have no savings! obiero, you very well know that you don't have to be earning 1 million to start saving. Ata ukipata shillingi kumi, weka sita kando tumia nne! GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 359
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All,
The poser was talking about greatness not niceness! U see even Alexander was Great but how nice?
I will re-phrase and answer my own question; who of the two "has left", or will leave, the greatest (most lasting) impact in Kenya?
Mobile telecoms have had the greatest impact the world over as a sector and will continue to do so long after MJ is gone. That sort of gives MJ a head-start! Yet MJ has been at the cutting edge of mobile coms showing the rest of the mobile coms world how it is done using a relatively small company *SafCom*. This makes him brilliant!
Mwangi however is a greater entrepreneur whereas MJ is a simply greater manager! If Mwangi hired MJ as CEO of Equity.. we probably would see Equity reaching the zenith.
But by greatest impact alone, then MJ wins! And he does coz he has been more adventurous with ideas than Mwangi. Granted Mwangi has had great positive impact on SMEs, farmers and Kenyans in the Diaspora but unfortunately the telecoms by their very nature have greater impact.
NB: JM can hire MJ but the reverse is more improbable.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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slykat, with JM at Safaricom, we would see calling rates and internet charges drop drastically. GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/12/2010 Posts: 1,199 Location: Eastlander
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slykat wrote:All,
The poser was talking about greatness not niceness! U see even Alexander was Great but how nice?
I will re-phrase and answer my own question; who of the two "has left", or will leave, the greatest (most lasting) impact in Kenya?
Mobile telecoms have had the greatest impact the world over as a sector and will continue to do so long after MJ is gone. That sort of gives MJ a head-start! Yet MJ has been at the cutting edge of mobile coms showing the rest of the mobile coms world how it is done using a relatively small company *SafCom*. This makes him brilliant!
Mwangi however is a greater entrepreneur whereas MJ is a simply greater manager! If Mwangi hired MJ as CEO of Equity.. we probably would see Equity reaching the zenith.
But by greatest impact alone, then MJ wins! And he does coz he has been more adventurous with ideas than Mwangi. Granted Mwangi has had great positive impact on SMEs, farmers and Kenyans in the Diaspora but unfortunately the telecoms by their very nature have greater impact.
NB: JM can hire MJ but the reverse is more improbable.  Need anymore be said?..Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven...Matt5:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2010 Posts: 183 Location: Nairobi
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I'd vouch for James Mwangi.
Michael Joseph had it easy. Kenyans had been suffering for ages - dude stepped in, made a coupla wise choices, conned a few geeks out of their "ground breaking" discoveries and the rest fell in like dominoes (Kenyans are suckers for advertising - gets them all the time).
James Mwangi had to slug it out with foreign bigwigs, and make in roads to a market that had long been considered worthless. Must agree that EB's service stinks; you queue forever, their ATM's are on holiday half the time, plus the bank nyonga's a ka-hundred-bob or two if you are not alert. Yet they're pioneers in providing banking to those erstwhile classified as unbankable. EB is still fondly known amongst my kinsmen as Muigwithania. So nice that its nasty, so bangin' its busting,
So slick that its sick, so dope its disgusting!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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msotoville wrote:I'd vouch for James Mwangi.
Michael Joseph had it easy.
Kenyans had been suffering for ages - dude stepped in, made a coupla wise choices, conned a few geeks out of their "ground breaking" discoveries and the rest fell in like dominoes (Kenyans are suckers for advertising - gets them all the time).
James Mwangi had to slug it out with foreign bigwigs, and make in roads to a market that had long been considered worthless.
Must agree that EB's service stinks; you queue forever, their ATM's are on holiday half the time, plus the bank nyonga's a ka-hundred-bob or two if you are not alert. Yet they're pioneers in providing banking to those erstwhile classified as unbankable. EB is still fondly known amongst my kinsmen as Muigwithania.
What about Government backing for EB? How true is that? and has it propped up Equity (read JM) during his tenure?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/30/2006 Posts: 635
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nostoppingthis wrote:msotoville wrote:I'd vouch for James Mwangi.
Michael Joseph had it easy.
Kenyans had been suffering for ages - dude stepped in, made a coupla wise choices, conned a few geeks out of their "ground breaking" discoveries and the rest fell in like dominoes (Kenyans are suckers for advertising - gets them all the time).
James Mwangi had to slug it out with foreign bigwigs, and make in roads to a market that had long been considered worthless.
Must agree that EB's service stinks; you queue forever, their ATM's are on holiday half the time, plus the bank nyonga's a ka-hundred-bob or two if you are not alert. Yet they're pioneers in providing banking to those erstwhile classified as unbankable. EB is still fondly known amongst my kinsmen as Muigwithania.
What about Government backing for EB? How true is that? and has it propped up Equity (read JM) during his tenure? for JM to convinvce government to prop him up and not any other banker, he must be something. dont you think so?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,901
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You just must agree with the man who echoed: the strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience.A blast from the past on great leaders (with crazy references to Naikuni, Ciano) Isn't time a beautiful thing? 
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/27/2016 Posts: 11 Location: Nairobi
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MJ had the resources of a multinational from the start when he began turning around Safcom, I do agree he has great managerial skills going by what he did with the resources availed to him at the time.
As for Mwangi, he started with very little at first, mobilized the unbanked to join the saving society, still remember the adverts in local vernacular stations. He came up with innovative ways to mitigate the risks of lending to the low income through group lending, maintained them as clients and eventually most of the customer have grown to be big clients to the bank grown who have been able to build their small businesses to big SMEs .
Mwangi is great, he has made lasting impacts to many families and continues to do so.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,472 Location: nairobi
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smartbull wrote:MJ had the resources of a multinational from the start when he began turning around Safcom, I do agree he has great managerial skills going by what he did with the resources availed to him at the time.
As for Mwangi, he started with very little at first, mobilized the unbanked to join the saving society, still remember the adverts in local vernacular stations. He came up with innovative ways to mitigate the risks of lending to the low income through group lending, maintained them as clients and eventually most of the customer have grown to be big clients to the bank grown who have been able to build their small businesses to big SMEs .
Mwangi is great, he has made lasting impacts to many families and continues to do so. To the real economy, Michael Joseph has contributed way much more
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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muganda wrote:You just must agree with the man who echoed: the strongest of all warriors are these two — Time and Patience.A blast from the past on great leaders (with crazy references to Naikuni, Ciano) Isn't time a beautiful thing? Yes... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,901
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obiero wrote:smartbull wrote:MJ had the resources of a multinational from the start when he began turning around Safcom, I do agree he has great managerial skills going by what he did with the resources availed to him at the time.
As for Mwangi, he started with very little at first, mobilized the unbanked to join the saving society, still remember the adverts in local vernacular stations. He came up with innovative ways to mitigate the risks of lending to the low income through group lending, maintained them as clients and eventually most of the customer have grown to be big clients to the bank grown who have been able to build their small businesses to big SMEs .
Mwangi is great, he has made lasting impacts to many families and continues to do so. To the real economy, Michael Joseph has contributed way much more You can avoid Equity, Safaricom ..... likely not In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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